X-Message-Number: 10211 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:26:47 -0400 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #10206 - #10209 Hi everyone! About degrees: The first thing to be said is that a PhD is much (maybe too much) like a union card. It's very difficult in any country which uses PhD's to get some jobs without one. And it's become even more difficult while I have had mine... very noticeably. As someone who believes that in an ideal world unions would not exist (don't squawk! the AMA is a union, too, in case you haven't noticed) I actually disapprove of this feature of Doctorates (ie. PhDs). Ettinger got his job before the PhDs had sewn things up as tightly as they have now. The basic problem is that unless you know someone well, it's not easy to know what THEY know or what they can (or have) done. I respect those cryonics researchers I know because I know their work well enough to respect it, not because they have a PhD. But it does make one more mark against us when we try to explain ourselves to the outside world. A Cryobiology PhD can speak nonsense and be immediately believed; someone who is not can speak truth and be ignored by almost everyone. This has advantages too. A lot of people now get their PhDs for career reasons, not because they are fundamentally interested in a particular subject. And this means that few or none of those people will EVER stick their necks out to do something in the least bit extreme --- cryonics being an instance. They're not interested in searching for truth, they're searching for money and fame. And what we want from someone doing research in cryonics is that desire to search for truth. Even if that search leads away from money or fame. Those are the people who may, if supported, someday even work out how to REVERSIBLY suspend us. Yes, that leaves us all with questions about who to support for research. By now there are enough cryonicists that we don't all know one another. Not only that, but it's very hard to publish papers which are openly cryonicist or support cryonics in any way. (This can be fixed by setting up our own journal --- seriously. It's been done before for that reason, and doing it again would hardly be unusual). But the real proof of someone's work in cryonics consists of how much they have done to improve the process --- which suggests that we need better criteria than simply that of whether or not a suspension could or could not be reversed. AS for the hippocampal project, I will add my voice to that of Paul Wakfer urging more support. It will not alone produce reversible suspensions, but it's a significant forward step. I say that not because Greg has a PhD, but because I too have read and thought about vitrification, which is the method which will be used. But you need not believe me -- my PhD is in mathematics, you see, so that you get to judge my opinions by their merits, not as those of a cryobiologist --- or even a biologist of any kind. Best and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10211