X-Message-Number: 10222 From: Subject: Values Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:56:47 -0600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDC698.4DA92020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > But this begs the question, "best chance" of *what*? If your most >fundamental goal is to get into a Christian heaven, science and rationality >do nothing to aid you in that. If you accept them, they may demonstrate >to you that your goal is wrong, but in that case, you've then changed your >values. The point is that values are not provable or derivable, they are >intrinsically axiomatic. Goedel proved that some things are unprovable, >and, uncomfortable though it may seem to those whose religion is >rationalism (I fall into this category myself), this seems like an obvious >result to me. Values are not axiomatic. In order for something to be axiomatic, you must show that any attempt to prove them presupposes them. General human = values can be derived from your requirements for survival as a human being and for your particular requirements for survival and flourishing = as an individual Timur Rozenfeld ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BDC698.4DA92020 Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=10222