X-Message-Number: 11112 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:19:06 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Platt <> Subject: Australia On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Thomas Donaldson wrote: > Well, as for Australia, I FOUNDED the Australian cryonics group, and did > lots of work when I first lived there to make it successful Okay, I'm interested. What does the group do? Does it have emergency response capability? Can it perfuse anyone with anything? How would your patient be transferred for maintenance at Alcor? How many cryonics members live in Australia, and how widely are they dispersed across the very large land area? I tend to think that if any of them believe they will be well-preserved, they're fooling themselves; but I would love to be proven wrong. Personally I feel I am taking a risk by living 500 miles from the facility that would provide service in an emergency. You are living more than 10,000 miles away. How do you rationalize this with a desire to be placed in cryopreservation? > it looked like we could get any member frozen except one, ME. But it did > not collapse, and is now bigger than when I left. Not only did it not > collapse, but all the work of preparation I did when I was there must > have helped out: the Australian group has been responsible, directly or > indirectly, for two suspensions. This is a bit vague, Thomas. Does anyone in the group have any Alcor training? I do seem to recall a case where the patient was flown back to the US from your part of the world, but I also recall that it was a very suboptimal procedure. Am I right, or wrong? > Your answers and your postings seem to assume that if we post on Cryonet > we do nothing else, and show ourselves to be less active cryonicists > than you. I'm glad (really!) that you are active, but the fact that YOU > are active does not imply that no one else is. I named two people (Bob Ettinger and Mike Perry) who have devoted much more of their lives to the practicalities of cryonics than I have. If there are other people posting to CryoNet, who have become actively involved, I'm sure they will point this out. So far, however, no one has. > statements sound. Moreover, you seem reluctant to learn anything new which > might pertain to cryonics (unless it comes from those you know). If you > read even a few issues of PERIASTRON I read numerous issues of PERIASTRON before I asked you to stop sending it to me. This may sound hard to believe, but PERIASTRON is not the only source of information about cryonics-related and life-extension-related topics. > By understanding how memory and identity work, we will understand just > what damage a relatively poor suspension may cause. Fine. But I believe this will achieve precisely NOTHING in improving the quality of future cases. > As for citing references, page and journal, you know or should know that > doing such is a very good way to stop all conversations. You mean, any thread on CryoNet could be stopped by someone citing references that reveal the whole discussion is irrelevant? Sounds good to me! Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=11112