X-Message-Number: 11409
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:06:14 -0800 (PST)
From: xon tiffany <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #11404 - #11406

i am interested in the transhumanist get-together.
please send info.






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> CryoNet - Fri 12 Mar 1999
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>     #11404: To Olaf, and more possible polls for
Scott Badger [Thomas Donaldson]
>     #11405: Celebrities and Cryonics [Robert Moore]
>     #11406: Upcoming DC and Baltimore area events
[kfl]
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> Message #11404
> From: Thomas Donaldson <>
> Subject: To Olaf, and more possible polls for Scott
Badger
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:59:37 +1100 (EST)
> 
> To Olaf:
> 
> It is a pity that those who doubt the current
definition of death OUTSIDE
> cryonics have failed to notice that we doubt it
too. That is our basic
> reason for suspending people. Not only that, but I
notice that this bit
> of news came from Vancouver, British Columbia,
which has forbidden
> cryonics firms from acting in their state --- one
of the few political
> entities, so far, which has done that, at least
explicitly.
> 
> I am dubious, too, that any flood of letters from
cryonicists (or even a 
> small number of polite letters) will change
anyone's opinion on this
> issue. After all, death is death, yes? Such a clear
idea should not be
> obscured by technology ;). 
> 
> To Scott Badger:
> 
> If Jeff Davis can truly convince any celebrity to
join a cryonics society,
> more power to him. I have occasionally written
letters such as he
> describes to various celebrities, only to find that
I have not been alone.
> And the celebrity basically has stored all those
letters in his/her round
> file.... otherwise known as a wastebasket. But
perhaps it will work this
> time. Or perhaps Jeff Davis will get that urge out
of his system and
> do something else more useful, such as try to get
people he knows
> personally to join. (I myself cannot claim great
success with that,
> either, but I have certainly had more than when I
tried to convince 
> celebrities).
> 
> And yes, perhaps the general attitude to cryonics
has changed, and such
> pleas will receive a better hearing. There has been
a slow change: some
> fictional stories involving cryonics are actually
in favor.
> 
> In any case, I remain interested in polls which ask
the questions which
> I suggested in my last posting, or questions
similar to them. And it would
> also be interesting to know how many cryonicists
have ALREADY tried to
> recruit a celebrity, and what happened when they
did. I strongly suspect
> that I am far from alone.
> 
> 			Best and long long life to all,
> 
> 				Thomas Donaldson
> 
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> Message #11405
> From: "Robert Moore" <>
> Subject: Celebrities and Cryonics
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 10:09:24 PST
> 
> Some thoughts and observations:  
> 
> Axiom:  People do move in crowds and follow
"leaders."
> 
> I remember as child a well-know celebrity was
cremated and his ashes 
> were scattered solemnly to the sea.  This romantic
idea of becoming one 
> with the ocean after death, gave many of my family
and friends a 
> positive impression about cremation.
> 
> This change resulted in my mother 20 years later
being cremated, 
> something that earlier would have been considered
very eccentric!
> 
> Try a few thought experiments on the effect of the
following on public 
> opinion of cryonics:
> 1. After being pronounced clinically dead, Princess
Di, as per her 
> previously stated wishes, is rushed into cryonic
suspension.
> 2. Michael Jackson announces he will be frozen
after he dies.
> 3. Former President Reagan's family has said they
will have him frozen 
> after death.
> 4. Sadaam Hussein orders his doctor's to immerse
him in liquid nitrogen 
> when he dies.
> 5. The US Surgeon General choose cryosuspension.
> 
> Also think about whether it would be good or bad
publicity if the 
> celebrities "made a big deal" about their choice
and spoke about it 
> often. (I think it would make them look eccentric)
> 
> Think also about the following:  By putting his
name and face on 
> millions of life insurance ads, did Ed McMahon
enhance the reputation of 
> life insurance or damage his own reputation? 
(Answer: Damage his own.) 
> Did it result in more sales or fewer sales?
(Answer: More)
> 
> Regarding whether cryonics organizations should
offer free suspensions 
> to celebrities.  Does anybody really care whether
Michael Jordan paid 
> for his Nikes or not?
> 
> My personal conclusions, based on the thought
experiments:
> 1,  Having celebrities sign up and actually undergo
suspension would be 
> VERY good publicity.
> 2.  Having a celebrity spokesperson could range
from somewhat positive 
> to somewhat negative, and is probably not worth the
cost and risk.
> 3. Giving a freebie to a respected celebrity would
have no effect on 
> publicity.
> 4. Actions speak louder than words.  It's enough
that Michael Jordan 
> wears Nikes.  If he went around talking about Nike
all the time, it 
> would detract from the message.
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> 
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> Message #11406
> From: 
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 23:41:01 -0500 (EST)
> Subject: Upcoming DC and Baltimore area events
> 
> The Life Extension Society will be meeting at 2 pm
on Sunday the 14th
> in Arlington Virginia.  After a short business
meeting, we will be
> watching "Revolutionary Breakthroughs in
Cryobiology," a videotape
> of a recent presentation made at 21st Century
Medicine in California.
> See http://www.clark.net/pub/kfl/les/ for details
and directions.
> 
> The Washington Metro Objectivism Discussion group
will be holding a
> party in Arlington Virginia on the evening of
Wednesday the 17th.
> See http://www.infiltec.com/wmod.htm for details
and directions.
> (It is NOT at its usual location.)
> 
> The Washington Science Fiction Association will be
holding a meeting
> and social event in Arlington Virginia on the
evening of Friday the
> 19th.  See http://www.wsfa.org/.  E-mail me for
directions.
> 
> there may be a transhumanist get-together in or
near DC within the
> month, but no firm plans have been made.  E-mail me
if you want to
> be notified.  See http://www.transhumanist.org/ for
information on
> what tranhumanism is.
> 
> The Baltimore Science Fiction Association will be
holding its annual
> convention, Balticon, on the weekend of April 2-4
in Baltimore.  See
> http://www.balticon.org/
> 
> All events except the last one are free.  All
events are at least
> marginally transit accessable (depending on how
much walking you
> are willing to do).  I will be at all these events.
> -- 
> Keith F. Lynch --  --
http://www.clark.net/pub/kfl/
> I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings,
and web pages, but
> unsolicited bulk e-mail sent to thousands of
randomly collected
> addresses is not acceptable, and I do complain to
the spammer's ISP.
> 
>
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