X-Message-Number: 1230 From: Subject: CRYONICS: Alcor Meeting Report Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 13:38:12 PDT To Eric Klien, and any readers of his "corrections" to the Alcor September Business Meeting Report: When I first read your message, Eric, I considered responding to all of your points in turn. But after rereading it, it's clear that you don't have a very good understanding of the way meeting minutes, and hence my business report (which is based on the minutes that I write) are intended to function. In fact, I specifically recall the long exchanges between you and Russell Whitaker, during which Russell tried to convince you that your Nevada "minutes" were actually a newsletter. Russell apparently failed, since you continue to inject anecdotes, personal notes, and topics completely unrelated to cryonics into your "minutes." (This isn't intended to discourage your activism in Nevada; I (like Russell) would simply prefer that you didn't call your monthly compendium of notes, observations, and opinions "minutes," as that can leave a bad taste in the mouths of people expecting actual, business-like *minutes*.) All of that aside, I also want to point out that this was a BUSINESS MEETING report, and is thus intended to describe the business that was dealt with. Hence, the following statements by you are inappropriate: "The fact that none of the recommendations by either Committee were approved or disproved by the board was not mentioned." "The fact that Alcor "forgot" to put the Investment Committees on the agenda for the day was not mentioned." "The fact that Michael Riskin's offer was not immediately accepted and that Alcor told him that it would be difficult to provide the necessary materials to him was not mentioned." "The fact that Michael Riskin told the board that he thought it would just take a little xeroxing to provide him with the necessary materials was not mentioned." Come on, Eric, I'm not a court stenographer! You not only want me to list EVERY THING THAT HAPPENED and EVERY THING THAT WAS SAID, you seem to want me to list the things that DIDN'T happen and WEREN'T said. Even as terse and to-the-point as I keep the minutes, this month they were over 12,000 bytes! This meeting was over FIVE HOURS LONG. The purpose of the minutes is not to report how every member feels about every subject (on and off the agenda) to the level of detail acceptable to each member. The purpose is to describe the business at hand, the salient points, and the final resolution. Most of your remaining "corrections" list things that happened, such as "the fact that both Committees submitted their recommendations eight days in advance," that you would like to see in the Business Meeting Report. See all of my comments above about the purpose of minutes and Business Meeting Reports. You also suggested I include the following slanted tutorial (after paraphrasing Dave Pizer's clarification of something Carlos said in response to your repeated accusation that Carlos is a liar): "Of course, a deficit and a surplus are antonyms -- words that are opposite in meaning. Another year running a negative 200,000/year Carlos "surplus" would put Alcor in grave financial danger." That you would seriously request that I, as an objectively impartial minutes-taker, put a statement like that IN THE MINUTES, I can barely fathom. If you have a serious correction to the factualism of the minutes or the Business Meeting Report, you will have to reign in your personal agenda and biases, or your comments will not be listened to. All of THAT said, I will address your one valid point, and your one almost-valid point. You quote me as saying that "Dave suggested that Eric give written suggestions to the board--by a week before the next meeting--on how Alcor could handle its books to the satisfaction of Eric and other concerned parties." You then accuse me of leaving out "The fact that Eric responded later by saying that the first thing that the members of the Committees would like to see was for their recommendations to be approved or disproved," and that "Until the board takes this action it should expect no further response by the members of the now disbanded committees." That is your almost-valid point. Unfortunately, at the time you seemed to think that it was adequate to direct that comment to me and me alone, rather than waiting to be given the floor by the Chairman, announcing that to the entire Board of Directors, and allowing them a chance to respond to this. The fact that I was sitting a few feet from you does not give you some kind of direct, do-not-pass-go access to the written record. Again, this is the Business Meeting Report, not the Alcor / Eric Klien Dialogue. (By the way, I encourage you to go to the videotape to verify this. I am as prone to selective memory as you are, and would unflinchingly amend the minutes--and apologize--if I'm mistaken.) Finally, your valid point: "The fact that Michael Riskin also offered to do a free informal audit of Alcor's books was not mentioned." Mea cupla. The September Minutes of the Alcor Life Extension Foundation will be changed to reflect this (assuming the Board votes to accept this change). (And just so you don't suspect that this omission was some sinister attempt to sweep this topic under the rug, you should know that Michael's offer has already been accepted; he will be here tomorrow to begin his audit.) In closing, I will offer some advice, thinly veiled as a rhetorical question: Are you trying to help Alcor, or vindicate Eric? Whichever it is, in the future it will probably serve you best to separate the two. --Ralph Whelan P.S. Anyone interested in video tapes (VHS) of the Business Meetings can purchase them from Alcor for $25 each. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=1230