X-Message-Number: 12604 From: "john grigg" <> Subject: A response to Mike Darwin's comments about unlovable cryonicists... Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:03:25 PDT Hello everyone, Mike Darwin in paraphrasing Roger Ebert writes: "The real problem with many cryonicists is not simply that they are "unpopular" -- they are creepy and not very nice. They are the kind of people who inspire in you the inexplicable desire to be hurtful and cruel. You don't meet people like that very often, but when you met them, you know who they are. And you want to get awy from them before you do something that would undermine your self-image as a nice person." --with thanks to Roger Ebert (end of post reproduction) I would love to know the movie and type of people Roger Ebert was writing about! If this is really true about us then we had all better watch out. There may be anti-cryonicist pogroms as we are chased out of communities by raging mobs with burning torches. Also fathers who suspect their daughters are dating a closet cryonicist may demand the fellow never come around again! Are we really as unpopular as guys who hang out at comic shops and play role-playing games and "Magic" every moment they can? :) Seriously, when I read the altered quote I think of racist skinheads, neo-nazi's, gangbangers and child molesters. Now they are creepy and not very nice. I admit being in Alaska I have not had the chance to socialize with the various cryonics groups and get to know the membership. But do some of them really give one the urge to do harm? I would only go as far as saying they gave the urge perhaps to leave and not come back but not resort to physical violence. I have heard the stories of how one reason there are so many cryonics groups is because of disagreement and infighting. I have heard how some individuals have been unethical with finances or with the facts. And how broken promises between prominant members of the cryonics community has caused bad feelings to arise in some quarters. Anyway, I think it just depends on the group and the individual. And I can see how those who are disenfranchised with their present life would want to have a chance for a better one with cryonics. Maybe part of the reason others don't like them is that they don't like themselves. So this minority of cryonics membership shows up and in some instances makes bad impressions on others. Again though, this is just my opinion on the matter. As I have said before, the people of the future may not be so thrilled with the idea of us entering their society! They may scan the brains of everyone in suspension to see how personable and mature they are. So we had all better be working on becoming well-rounded individuals so at some late 21st century cocktail party you won't hear two officers of a reanimation fund saying "eventually we will get around to bringing back "so and so"... eventually." Sincerely, John Grigg ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=12604