X-Message-Number: 14214 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:13:13 -0400 From: "Raphael T. Haftka" <> Subject: memories versus self circuit If I had to choose: I admire Dave Pizer's absolute certainty on the matter (see quote below). I wish that I could be that sure of anything. However, I still insist that to me, memories are as important as that mysterious "self circuit." If I had the choice, Dave, of having my memories installed in your brain (even without wiping off yours) versus having your memories installed in mine (wiping mine off), I would choose the former. I certainly seek personal survival and I think that cryonics is at the moment the least speculative route to achieve that. However, I wish that you admit that the relative importance of retaining one's memories versus retaining some self-circuit or some hypothetical continual self awareness is mainly a matter of individual values. At 05:00 AM 7/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >We cryoncists are interested mainly in personal survival. The point here >is that in no way (zero) does the original person live on in anyone else's >memory: nor in the words they wrote on paper being read by someone else, >nor in the pictures they drew on canvas being seen by someone else (even >though the words and pictures may cause emotional feeling in the someone >else), nor in the memories they created and stored in their brains being >read or seen or felt by someone else. To survive you have to continue to >be self-aware. Raphael (Rafi) Haftka, Distinguished Professor University of Florida phone:352-392-9595 Department of Aerospace Engineering, fax: -7303 Mechanics and Engineering Science http://www.aero.ufl.edu/~haftka Gainesville, FL 32611 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=14214