X-Message-Number: 15232
From: "Dani Kollin" <>
Subject: RE: Roman ethics #15171
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:31:38 +0200

Again my apologies for the late replies. The twins, while a blessing, are
teaching me the meaning of sleep deprivation. To make matters more
interesting my 3 year old daughter has decided that NOW is the time to not
wear diapers at night ("that's for babies!") So in addition to the hourly
wake up holler we get from Yonaton and Gavriel we're now getting the change
the sheets and PJs encounter as well (in the - pun intended - wee hours of
the morning). Whew! Not that I'm complaining ;)

Dani

<SNIP>
As for throwing babies down toilets, what do we know that
the Romans didn't know?  Perhaps indeed it wasn't really
wrong for them in their time; after all, they were very
successful.  (And by "wrong" here, I really can't mean
anything more than "I disapprove", since there isn't any
"good book" for me to consult.)

How different is it really from an abortion?  As for me, the
baby died rather quickly, and there are evolutionary reasons
to believe that it didn't suffer much.


Wow, Lee, that's quite a loaded question. How different is the destruction
of an embryo (let's call it first term since most of all abortion are in
fact first term) from a breathing, living crying being? Without getting too
much into _thee_ debate I'd say quite different.

<SNIP>
What is different today is our incredible wealth!  We can
afford to support undesired children (whereas perhaps the
Romans could not).

Being perhaps one of the wealthiest empires in terms of of the times, in
fact they could.

<SNIP>
I submit that we should regard each human
life as quite valuable, and praise those (who we call parents)
who rescue people from non-existence.  In other words, abortion
is bad because someone doesn't get to live---but it's not quite
as bad as failing to conceive in the first place, for which a
lot of us are guilty.

I'm not _even_ going to go there.

<SNIP>
My mother was the last of ten children, and my father was the
fifth-born in his family.  Thank goodness that no one ever
thought of planned parenthood back then!

Absolutely Lee (aboslute lee?). The appreciation of your presence not only
here but amongst those you love is a testament to the above.

Dani

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