X-Message-Number: 15706 From: "Jeff Grimes" <> Subject: Amazing! Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:00:00 +0000 It's always harder to leave a mail list than to join it. But, I have to make a brief comment about this truly incredible statement from Robert Ettinger: "If my understanding of Hugh's post is correct, then the current Alcor CPA is not secret, except for the formulation of "MHP-2," what we would call the "washout solution," or corresponding to the former use of Viaspan. Plus there remains secrecy about the details of the procedure used to attain rapid cooling, which presumably is related to the patent I mentioned a while back." Does everyone realize what this means? It means that Mr. Ettinger has made literally dozens of inflammatory, critical, complaining posts about the procedure he thought was being used at Alcor, and he never even bothered to check whether his assumptions were correct! He literally didn't know what he was talking about until Mr. Hixon posted his comments in response to the exchange between David Pascal and myself. David Pascal has complained that I haven't bothered to do my homework about Alcor. But I am just out here on the sidelines, not even a member of any organization. Mr. Ettinger is a central authority in cryonics. He founded one of the main organizations, didn't he? People respect what he has to say. And he has been endlessly critical of his competitor. Now it turns out he never even bothered to find out what they were really doing! Is this amazing or what? If I went online and suggested that an organization was causing serious damage with its procedures, and it turned out that I didn't even know what the procedures were, because I never bothered to ask--I would expect to get sued. Jeff Grimes. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=15706