X-Message-Number: 16425 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:46:33 -0400 From: James Swayze <> Subject: SEX and the Single Uploaded Entity--R-Rated St. Benedict, the guy that started the celibate monk thing and famous for good wine, died and went to heaven. St. Pete says, "The boss wants to see you right away". Benny says, "Ok, right through here?". Pete says, "HURRY UP!". Standing before the boss ole Benny feels immensely proud of himself. He's called to see the boss the very minute he arrives, "wow I really musta done good" Benny muses. Then with a rumble of thunder and crack of lightening "The Boss" says sternly, "I SAID CELE-BRATE!!". Poor St. Benny, look at all the fun he and his ilk missed out on. I am thoroughly opposed to celibate lifestyles. Mike, I love you buddy, but please, GET LAID! ;) Your neglecting that aspect of life may be wrongly tainting your views on uploading. I'll be the first to defend a persons right to chose such a lifestyle but it's far too cerebral for me. Perhaps this is because I am celibate myself right now. Forced celibacy and IT SUCKS!!! Twenty one years ago last May 22nd I broke my damn fool neck. Oh sure I had been active before then, it was the seventies after all. But it was largely unsatisfying as a string of many one-night-stands tends to be. Before I had a chance to get wise I broke my damn fool neck! Yes, I've had sex since the injury, I can still achieve erection but I don't feel it. I can please well enough, I'm an uncommonly cunning linguist--if you get my drift--and I am not knocking that part of it but the entire experience together sure is lacking and unfavorable circumstances haven't led for the last 11 years to any encounters anyway. So, I intend one day to make up for it all big time! When I was a christian I used to ask often, "Will there be sex in heaven?". I most often got authoritative responses assuring me that due to the passage "the former things are past", that surely something far better or pure cerebral enlightenment would replace the base and animalistic sexual behavior of mere mortals. I stayed unconvinced. Here's to being ANIMALS!! To me there is nothing enlightened about going totally cerebral and giving up on sex. I know many eastern religions tend to fob this point of view off on followers but to me it's merely a control device. You can be cerebral and still enjoy one of the greatest delights humans have ever evolved, the ability to engage in sex simply for pleasure. Sex it's self is enlightening! It is not a lower state of being and should not be excluded for more cerebral so called "enlightened" pursuits. So why am I ranting here on cryonet? It's because my unique experience, I believe, can offer yet more unique information especially for issues regarding uploading and imitated sexual experiences. I mentioned that due to my neck break and resultant paralysis, I cannot feel the sexual experience--I cannot orgasm either. Regarding questions of uploading and imitating the experience one may have the notion that stimulation of the brain directly to elicit Dopamine release would suffice to reproduce the sexual orgasm response. Not so! If this were so then taking cocaine, which also stimulates Dopamine release, would do as well to create an orgasm. I have experienced cocaine both clinically and illicitly and I can tell you it does nothing for me. This is both before injury and after. I never liked the experience and so discontinued any experimentation with it and it sure as hell did not cause pleasure enough to equal or even come remotely close to orgasm. When someone says orgasm or even sex is "all in the brain/mind" I scoff--they haven't been me. The same goes for mind only uploading. I believe there is a mistaken impression that stimulus at the peripheral locus is only felt when it arrives at the the brain. I feel this is very wrong. The reason is, if sex were only in the mind, I should be able to experience virtual orgasm in my dreams. I do not! I can lucid dream and direct the course of some dreams and try as I might I cannot experience orgasm in directed or non directed dreams. I am just as sensory deficit in dreams as I am in consciousness. Orgasm will not occur again for me until the spine is reconnected. The brain needs the body for full experience of emotion to occur. We will need skin to feel the emotion of the hair raising on the backs of our necks. Well need toes to curl when it's just oh-so-good! I am very skeptical emotions can ever be imitated mechanically or electronically. I am all for enhancing the biological and in fact I have a cybernetic device within me already and will be first in line for more enhancements but some things may need to stay biological. However, I'll keep an open mind about it all. James Swayze -- From the point of ignition To the final drive The point of the journey is not to arrive --RUSH<--the Rock Band Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16425