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From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
Subject: Fw: QUESTION NEED ANSWERS Australian case part 10
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:59:01 +0200

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Oslo, June the 9th, 2001


I just got a one hour phone call from Elizabeth Kostadinova in Melbourne 
Australia.


Seems like her 58 year old father died of cancer on March the 19th. And has been
burried since then.

The cancer started in the lungs and spread to the brain etc. he got 
chemotheraphy and died.
Air temperature there is about 12 degrees Celcius now,
and it is the cold season.
They are about 9 hours later than Greenwhich time,
or about 17 hours later (7 hours earlier) than California time.


I tried to discourage her, but she seems determined to have him exhumed and 
frozen.

Next of kin is her mother, herself and her sister.
Elizabeth claims the mother and sister agree with her,
but as I see it this needs to be verified.


Apparently they have the money to buy a liquid nitrogen dewar (USD $20.000 plus 
shipping), and set up a cryonic facility in Australia, though this too still 
needs to be verified.


If she succeeds, one positive effect might be that she makes it easier for 
herself, her family and other cryonisists in Australia to be frozen under more 
ideal circumstances.


The benefit to her father is rather questionable, but the benefits to others 
might be great from such a test case.


By preserving the corpse they would also have a supply of additional DNA 
fragments in case the biopsis or blood samples taken at the hospital get lost.


The challenge is one of preserving dead tissue until it becomes possible, legal 
and affordable to clone dead tissue, and then recreate the mental content from 
other sources than the body itself.


Whether any cells can be repaired or any information relevant to restoring the 
mental content can be gleaned from the corpse itself, is rather questionable.


It seems to me that from the point of relatives that are attached to another 
person, a clone is more than adequate
as a replacement, maybe even preferable because it is younger and healthier.
The clone experiences itself as a continuation of the dead person.

And the relatives get back someone that for all practical reasons is the same 
person, only younger.


The fact that it actually is another individual, is more of a concern to the 
individual itself. But since this is dead, who cares???


Once again: study cryonics while alive, and sign up while alive, and take the 
steps to be frozen under ideal circumstances, so that enough of yourself will be
preserved to at least create a theorethical chance of you being brought back 
yourself too.


Storing live cell samples and an electronic overview over your mental content, 
might come in  handy in preserving  yourself too and in having yourself restored
to health, and not just as a tool for creating a clone.


Anyway, I suggested that she contacts other cryonists in Australia, and thet 
they use this opportunity to set up a cryonics facility down there.

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge

----- Original Message ----- 
From: elizabeth kostadinova. 
To:  
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:02 PM
Subject: QUETION NEED ANSWERS


DEAR TRYGUE BAUGE,
THNAKS FOR THE EMAIL THERE ARE MANY I HAVE SENT AS TO THE MOMENTALLY QUESTIONS,

You stated acquire permission ,FROM THE FAMILY TO EXHUME THE BODUY THAT IS 
EASY,BUT GETTING THE LICENCE TO BRING THE BODY HOME,AND GETTING THE SUPPLY TO 
FREEZE3 THE BODY IS HARD,

HOW DO I DO THIS HOW DO I GET THE BODY EXHUMED TO FREEZE IT ,WILL THAT BE 
ALLOWED,?WHAT SHOULD I TELL THE FUNERAL DIRECTOR,,OR PERSONS IN CHARGE OF 
EXHUMEING TO GET THIS DONE.
elizabeht kostadinova,


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