X-Message-Number: 16498 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> Subject: Fw: QUESTION NEED ANSWERS Australian case part 10 Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 16:59:01 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0F105.7BADEBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oslo, June the 9th, 2001 I just got a one hour phone call from Elizabeth Kostadinova in Melbourne Australia. Seems like her 58 year old father died of cancer on March the 19th. And has been burried since then. The cancer started in the lungs and spread to the brain etc. he got chemotheraphy and died. Air temperature there is about 12 degrees Celcius now, and it is the cold season. They are about 9 hours later than Greenwhich time, or about 17 hours later (7 hours earlier) than California time. I tried to discourage her, but she seems determined to have him exhumed and frozen. Next of kin is her mother, herself and her sister. Elizabeth claims the mother and sister agree with her, but as I see it this needs to be verified. Apparently they have the money to buy a liquid nitrogen dewar (USD $20.000 plus shipping), and set up a cryonic facility in Australia, though this too still needs to be verified. If she succeeds, one positive effect might be that she makes it easier for herself, her family and other cryonisists in Australia to be frozen under more ideal circumstances. The benefit to her father is rather questionable, but the benefits to others might be great from such a test case. By preserving the corpse they would also have a supply of additional DNA fragments in case the biopsis or blood samples taken at the hospital get lost. The challenge is one of preserving dead tissue until it becomes possible, legal and affordable to clone dead tissue, and then recreate the mental content from other sources than the body itself. Whether any cells can be repaired or any information relevant to restoring the mental content can be gleaned from the corpse itself, is rather questionable. It seems to me that from the point of relatives that are attached to another person, a clone is more than adequate as a replacement, maybe even preferable because it is younger and healthier. The clone experiences itself as a continuation of the dead person. And the relatives get back someone that for all practical reasons is the same person, only younger. The fact that it actually is another individual, is more of a concern to the individual itself. But since this is dead, who cares??? Once again: study cryonics while alive, and sign up while alive, and take the steps to be frozen under ideal circumstances, so that enough of yourself will be preserved to at least create a theorethical chance of you being brought back yourself too. Storing live cell samples and an electronic overview over your mental content, might come in handy in preserving yourself too and in having yourself restored to health, and not just as a tool for creating a clone. Anyway, I suggested that she contacts other cryonists in Australia, and thet they use this opportunity to set up a cryonics facility down there. Sincerely, Trygve Bauge ----- Original Message ----- From: elizabeth kostadinova. To: Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: QUETION NEED ANSWERS DEAR TRYGUE BAUGE, THNAKS FOR THE EMAIL THERE ARE MANY I HAVE SENT AS TO THE MOMENTALLY QUESTIONS, You stated acquire permission ,FROM THE FAMILY TO EXHUME THE BODUY THAT IS EASY,BUT GETTING THE LICENCE TO BRING THE BODY HOME,AND GETTING THE SUPPLY TO FREEZE3 THE BODY IS HARD, HOW DO I DO THIS HOW DO I GET THE BODY EXHUMED TO FREEZE IT ,WILL THAT BE ALLOWED,?WHAT SHOULD I TELL THE FUNERAL DIRECTOR,,OR PERSONS IN CHARGE OF EXHUMEING TO GET THIS DONE. elizabeht kostadinova, ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0F105.7BADEBA0 Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16498