X-Message-Number: 16505
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 02:28:10 -0400
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: Thanks to everyone, To Scott Badger, Roberrt Ettinger and Mike Perry

My Cryonics friends,

I wish to thank everyone for their genuine concern for my situation and
future. I am again overwhelmed as I was also when I first became acquainted
with you all after my first posting to cryonet prompted like concern and an
outpouring of generosity. Just as then I will accept any help I can get.
Also just as then I want you to know I will keep trying to do whatever I can
to pull my end and more hopefully if possible.

I happened upon a thought the other day and have been considering it
carefully ever since. It might be total nonsense or not necessary but here
goes. I wondered had a human body ever been purposely put through the
process of cryonic suspension left suspended for a reasonable time for
whatever final state suspension causes to occur and then purposely removed
from suspension either in whole or in part for dissection so as to study the
actual state damage or otherwise that suspension causes to human tissue as
opposed to any other test species. Owing to the fact that the goal of every
organization is preservation of their patients I thought it might not have
been done purposely for research.

Would this even be of value? Are other species good enough to extrapolate
the possible condition that a human body would be in? To me it seems an
actual human body would be best for researching every possible type of
tissue. This would allow the planning of a repair strategy. In so doing it
would be possible to design repair systems directly for specific tissue
types knowing ahead of time what actually needs repair. Parts could be kept
suspended until newer systems became available to periodically test on the
preserved tissues for comparative analysis with living tissues of donors of
the particular time. Various methods of suspension could be applied via
amputation of limbs before suspension for separate suspension by alternate
means to the different limbs.

I'm sure more thought on this could derive any other possibilities for
research. I think you can guess where I am going with this. My body has
suffered many insults. These include atrophy, diabetes, heterotrophic
ossification and nerve damage. If I were suspended and one day reanimated it
would probably be best to scrap it and clone a new one or if possible
regenerate one. However, I think many of the tissues are healthy enough to
be of use for study of the kind mentioned above. The ability to trial test
repair of tissue types should be valuable up until the time when the first
total reanimation is attempted.

In exchange for neuro suspension I would be willing to donate my body for
the purpose described above. I would consider also but would want to get
some input first from experts as to the safety of it, allowing a very small
sample of brain tissue to be extracted from the frozen state providing it
won't be terribly missed by me. This way the most possible types of tissue
could be studied. I would want the information to benefit cryonics in
general and so would hope, if this is even a worthy idea, that all the
existing organizations work together or separately on distributed samples
but coordinated and ultimately shared.

I realize that cadavers donated to science might substitute for this,
however, it's unlikely they would undergo suspension immediately upon death
and under ideal conditions as all cryonics patients hope for and this is an
important research variable as I see it. I realize too that anyone choosing
simply to have a neuro suspension could donate their bodies and I would
encourage them to do so as the more research samples the better. The only
thing I can offer above that is the sampling of my brain matter, something
others may not be so readily willing to do, though I could be wrong. Aside
from all this, I had always intended to donate my body to science for study
of the unique bone disease of which I am as far as I know still the worst
case known. Because I wish to further the science of immortalism I pledge to
donate my body to cryonics, if it would be welcome, regardless of whether I
get funded for suspension or not. Why not if I had already intended donating
it to mainstream science? It would still be possible for my hip joints, the
worst locus of the disease Heterotrophic Ossification, to be studied by
mainstream science by having whoever of cryonics science that received my
body excise the hip joints.

As I said this whole idea may not be of value. That's fine if it is not.
Ideas are cheap. Easy come easy go. I toss it out for discussion.


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Scott Badger,

Like John your post of your mother's passing deeply touched me. It was the
song that got me. I wept after I read the part, "It's not that we were
friends ... It's that we never will be.". I can so relate to that. My mother
is alive and she works tirelessly even at age 64 to provide for and care for
me. She shouldn't have to but I did something incredibly stupid once and
gave her no choice. Worse yet she had to witness me do it. I'll never get
over that guilt. I see her every day. I love her very much and she me but
friends? I couldn't say so. We differ over something so stupid and to me
trivial as belief. It's not a war but it seems to get in the way of intimate
conversation...the apprehension that the dreaded subject will come up again.
I can't bear the thought I will loose her one day because she will have put
her faith in what I consider uncertainty. I can't bear that I can't save her
and all the while she probably feels the same back at me. Sometimes I feel
deep remorse for adopting my rational beliefs and becoming such a
disappointment to my deeply religious family. I can empathize what they must
feel. There's no going back though. Your post made me empathize with your
loss and project hypothetically to my own inevitabilities. I must try to
gulf the breach. I must appreciate her more while I can. Scott, thanks for
the tears.


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Robert Ettinger,

Thanks for looking out for me. What more can I say? Thanks so very much for
your efforts. Let me know what you think of my idea above.


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Mike Perry,

Thank you for your concern and appeals on my behalf. I would be willing to
do anything short of anything illegal of course to improve my financial
situation. I fear I don't have any marketable skills. I didn't finish
college because of medical problems. I was studying to be a psychiatrist so
I majored in Premed with a Psychology emphasis. I did well enough, 3.5 gpa,
but I've only two years and some change to my credit. I'm quick with
computers but totally self taught and that's the problem, no accreditation.
My biggest obstacle is needing so very much medical coverage and attendant
care. I need the income of a Congressman to be free my shackles. The
suggestion has been made before about becoming one but realistically...I
inhaled. ;) In other words that's a real pipe dream (no pun intended), few
would vote for me.

For these and more reasons than I wish to burden this list with I've pinned
my hopes on my inventiveness. I have a few inventions or rather I should say
ideas for inventions. I hope one day someone with the means to will find
merit in one and help me get it patented and produced. I would gladly share
equally with them and I wish to, if my wildest dreams came true, invest in
supporting cryonics and immortalism by any means I can. So the invitation is
there for anyone interested or anyone that knows someone that might be.

James
--
From the point of ignition
To the final drive
The point of the journey
is not to arrive --RUSH

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