X-Message-Number: 16525 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:04:07 +0000 () From: Louis Epstein <> Subject: Refrigerators,Posting Habits,and Homosexuality On 13 Jun 2001, CryoNet wrote: > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Message #16521 From: "Joseph W. Morgan" <> > Subject: Cryogenic Refrigerators > > Closed-cycle cryogenic refrigerators would eliminate the need for a > continuous, expensive, and vulnerable supply of bottled liquid nitrogen. > > However, this approach has its own problems. No liquid nitrogen would > be required but an electrical outage or refrigerator failure could be a > disaster. > > Reliability could be enhanced with back-up power supplies, redundant > refrigeration systems, computer monitoring, and an emergency liquid > nitrogen bottle. > > I assume economics rather then engineering is the obstacle. > > Comments? I'd just point out that I had thought already,in response to Mike Perry's remarks on cemetery regulations being burdensome for cryonics providers trying to fit into that mold,that some form of "pressurized water reactor" analogue might be the means of having a satisfactorily "sealed" interment chamber. (This alludes to the form of nuclear power reactor that has a closed coolant loop in the reactor itself,an external coolant loop in which heat is exchanged; rather than the "boiling water reactor" in which the cooling water that passes through the reactor itself,like the cooling nitrogen in a dewar,is evaporated). This closed-cycle-refrigerator model is the same...if this could be used as an in-ground mausoleum format,I think the obstacle to being a "cemetery" where bodies are kept in revivable form for religious purposes may be overcome. > ---------------------------------------------------- > Message #16523 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:55:14 -0700 > From: Lee Corbin <> > > Hi, > > Say would all of you who imitate Louis Epstein, and > so include numerous headers in your email (are you > too lazy to delete them?) could you please delete > the dotted lines like > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > if you MUST respond to thirty people in one long, > enormous post? It makes it so hard to read, and > so hard to skip past---i.e., to know where one > post starts and stops. From my perspective,I think that including the headers,so you know who I'm responding to,and shortened dividing lines,so you know when I switch to answering another post, are positive features to be encouraged. If you answer lots of people without such differentiation,it gets more confusing. > ------------------------------------ > Message #16524 From: > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:12:03 EDT > > In a message dated 6/12/01 9:12:16 PM, Louis Epstein writes: > > >The PF are for Parents and Friends;the group is dedicated to confusing > >affection for those with the condition with the condition being in no > >way deplorable. > > I'd like to state publicly that if anyone ever tries to "cure" or "correct" > my "condition", ie, homosexuality, even with "affection" for me, in any > circumstance, be it while living, or during revival or reconstruction from > suspension, should that ever occur, I would view that as murder of my person. > I am who I am, not whom you would want me to be. I do what I do, not what > you would want me to do. Louis Epstein, and likeminded bigoted myopic > misanthropes, are my worst nightmare. Again with the tired circle-the-wagons claim of the gay-pride crowd that if one acknowledges that the condition is a deficiency,one is a "bigot" who hates persons with the condition. I am NOT a bigot...I am,however,somewhat myopic...which after all means nearsighted. I am nearsighted enough that my driver's license requires me to wear corrective lenses,so that I can see signs and so forth the way normal people's eyes do.My eyes have something wrong with them,and I have to be able to conform to norms,or not partake in the activities permitted to those who can. I fully acknowledge that my myopia is something that is wrong with me.I am in no way "bigoted" against nearsighted people.On the contrary,it would be people who loudly proclaimed that their equal rights were being violated by being required to wear glasses at times,who demanded that eye surgery to correct nearsightedness and genetic research aimed at extirpating the causes be banned, who I would regard as being unreasonable. A trait that would doom the species if it were universal is clearly a deficiency. > I spent many years learning to be myself, and to like myself, in the face > of a society that did not accept homosexuality- provided no positive role > models, nurturing, or condoning of stable relationships. You still haven't learned to face that your homosexuality is something that's wrong with you.It's not healthy to think that there is nothing wrong with you... we all have flaws. Homosexuality does not define a person's character or worth.It does not devalue achievements.But taken in isolation it is clearly a flaw.My left ear does not hear "differently" than my right ear,it hears WORSE.All traits are not created equal. The role models homosexuals need are celibate! Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16525