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From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
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Subject: Australian case, Re: regarding your help and assitence,PLEASE REPLY 
URGENTLY.
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:43:52 +0200

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To Bo and people at the Cryonet.

Elizabeth is still trying to find or establish a cryonic facility for her father
and is willing to spend $45,000 (Australian dollars on the project). 

We would like cryonisists around the world to let us know what it would cost to 
buy or rent a small storage shed, and maintain a 4 person dewar. So let me ask 
all  of you: what is the price of liquid nitrogen in your area? What does it 
cost to have a 4 person dewar installed in your area? What does it cost to buy a
small piece of land (where a 18 wheel liquid nitrogen truck could reach it) and
put a small Tuff shed on this? What other expenses are there in your area, e.g.
taxes etc.
 
Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge

To Elizabeth,

I still think you would be better off organizing something in Australia. Did you
talk to Chris Benatar  yet?

A cryonics facility requires a lot of work: e.g. not just adding liquid nitrogen
but maintenance, watching that everything is o.k. etc. Having the facility 
close to you would enable you to do some of that work on your spare time.

The best is to have a cryonic storage place one can live at or near.


That way you wouldn't have to pay for what you and your sister and mother and 
other local volunteers could do yourselves.


There is also the cost of transportation to a foreign country that would be 
saved.


So please try to track down as many cryonisists in Australia as possible before 
you decide on a location.
You might find that it can be done in Australia after all.


As to other locations. I could possible look into what it would cost to have 
your father stored in Norway.
However, in Norway liquid nitrogen is quite expensive. 


I will ask my representative in Colorado, Bo Shaffer, to look into what it would
cost to store him there.


It might be worthwhile to look into what liquid nitrogen costs in various parts 
of the world.

What does it for example cost in Australia?
per liter when buying 1 liter, 100 liter or  500 to 800 liters a time?



What we should do is to set up a budget and compare the cost of establishing a 
small cryonics facility.

Cost of renting a small industrial storage room (tall ceiling).
(or space in someone's laboratory or barn).

Alternatively: the cost of buying a small piece of land, and of setting up a 
small (Tuff) shed.
Cost of buying a 4 person dewar. (delivered)
Cost of about 500 liters of liquid nitrogen a month.
Other costs: electricity, water, sewage at the cite.
Any taxes?



I will have a cost overview for you in a few days, as to Norway. Maybe you can 
put together such an overview for Melbourne too?

And I call upon other cryonisists to calculate what it would cost to set up 
something similar in their own country.

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: elizabeth kostadinova. 
  To: Trygve Bauge 
  Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:07 PM
  Subject: regarding your help and assitence,PLEASE REPLY URGENTLY.


  DEAR TRYGUE, BAUGE,
   I HAD AN IDEA AND REQUIRE YOUR HELP AND ASSITENCE,
  ITS ME ELIZABETH KOSTADINOVA,
  AND I THOUGHT JUST CAME UPON, ME,

  I THOUGHT THE ONLY LEGAL WAY I WAS TO PRESERVE MY FATHER NOW WAS IF YOU COULD 
  POSSIBLE POVIDE STORAGE FACILITY IN SWEDEN OR WHERE YOU THINK BEING A 
  CRYONICAIST,

  IF YOU CAN EXCEPT THE BPODY AND PROVIDE STORAGE WHERE YOU ARE I WILL GET 
  GOVEMENT APPROVAL AND YOU CAN TALK TO ME VIA INTERNET, AND LOOK AFTER THE BODY
  AND MOINITORIT LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER,
  AND I WILL PAY YOU STRAIGHT AWAY 45,000 AUSTRLIAN TO DO THIS,

  ARE YOU PREPARED TO HELP ME,AS I WANT TO DO THIS STRAIGHT AWAY BEFORE THE 
  BODY.

  AND I HAVE A GOOD, HELP ME,ARRANGE FOR TRANIT,AND EXHUMATION PLEASE EMAIL 
  QUICKLY ABOUT THIS 

  SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER,EVEN IF YOU KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT IS A GOOD FRIEND
  TO YOU AND IS HAPPY TO TAKE THE BODY FOR STORAGE,THTA GREAT TTO, OAS L WILL 
  SENT YOU MONEY WHEN YOU REQUIRE IT.
  KIND REGARD,
  ELIZABETH KOSTADINOVA,
  

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