X-Message-Number: 16738 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> References: <004e01c0ffa5$26ac80e0$> Subject: Re: FUTHER INFO, Australian case June 28, 2001 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:18:53 +0200 To Elizabeth, If we set up a research company to store your father in liquid nitrogen, it could be worded so that no research was done on him without your consent. So that he just would be stored without further harm to the body, for as long as funding is secured for continued storage. As to permafrost storage, I have called the Norwegian government to find out what the rules and regulations are for storage in permafrost at Svalbard, I should know in a few days. You might want to call your own government to see what the rules and regulations are for storage in permafrost at the Australian part of Antarctica. Other options might be high in the Andes mountains, or even near some glacier at New Zealand. Independent of what you do with the whole body, you might consider taking 10 small tissue samples from the thigh with a small scalpel, putting each sample in a separate vial (cryo tube) and storing these in dry ice for shipping and then in liquid nitrogen e.g. 5 vials at Cryonics institute and 5 at Cells4Life in the United States. You could possibly ask for permission to exhume the body, just to have the tissue samples taken. Or you could arrange for permafrost or for liquid nitrogen storage of the whole body, ask for permission to exhume the body so this can be moved to permafrost or liquid nitrogen storage, and then take the cell samples at the time of the exhumation. As far as what that can be done in the future. Then one has to make some kind of mutual agreement with other cryonisists or with other cryonics companies, and either set aside a trust to pay for future research and reanimation, or make some short of mutual agreement, that anyone brought back will try to assist others in being brought back. I can foresee that cryonisists pledge that if they are brought back they will each pay what it cost to have them brought back and what it will cost to have several other people brought back. So that each person brought back will try to add money to the trust working to bring peoploe back. Sincerely, Trygve Bauge ----- Original Message ----- From: elizabeth kostadinova. To: Trygve Bauge Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: FUTHER INFO >Dear Trygve, >Responding to information about finding a storage facilty, >My mother and i read the informations abourt hwere the storage, faciltys is located. >But we have one concern about this particular, research park, >When my father will be sent there,will he be used for research in any way, willl the >reseachfacilty own his body for using if they need to do any form of research on him,, > The contract can be worded so that nothing will be done to the body without your prior consent for as long as you live, and so that thereafter nothing will be done with the body without the prior consent of the family member, agent or cryonic patient organization that you have selected to donate the body to. (e.g. American cryonics society.) > >ALSO YOU SUGESTED PREMA FROST, WHO WILL ORGANISE THIS IF FELT >WANTED TO INQUIRE. >ABOUT WHO WILL ORGANISE THIS ,AND WHERE IS THE BODY TO BE >STORED? I am looking into the possibility of permafrost burials at Svalbard. You will have to look into the possibility of permafrost in Antarctica. >I will get back to you on what we decide on as a family and what will be the best for him >I HAVE TO REMEBER THE REASON I WISH TO HAVE MY FATHER >PRESERVED,AND WHAT I EXPECT. Please write out what you hope for. >IF HIS BODY IS PRESERVED CAN IF A CRYONICS INSTIUTE CAME >ALONG THAT COULD REPAIR DEAD CELL WILL >THEY OFFER HOPE FOR HIM MIN THE FURTURE ,AND DOING ANYTHING >FURTHER, To get things done in the future, one has to either set aside money for this or join with other cryonisists to pledge some mutual assistance. Kind of like a religious brotherhood that guards the dead bodies through the centuries, and are dedicated to try to bring these back. I foresee that people will pledge money to a reanimation trust fund. That this fund will try to bring back the best cases first. And that people before they get frozen will pledge to pay back their reanimation cost to such a trust fund, and also pledge to try to pay enough to have several more people brought back. A kind of opposite system of a pyramide game. Instead of many people paying one person above them in the system and not getting anything itself, each person that already has been brought back would pay to bring back 3 to 5 other people. >PLEASE LET ME KNOW. >AS I LIKE TO CONSIDER THINGS CAREFULLY, >AND WOULD LIKE THE BEST FOR HIM. Once again, it is limited what one can do on one's own. get in touch with other cryonisists in Australia and elsewhere. By teaming up with others, we can better accomplish what we want. >REGARDS, ELIZABETH KOSTADINOVA, > >EMAIL Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16738