X-Message-Number: 16752 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:02:02 -0700 From: Olaf Henny <> Subject: Elizabeth is Clearly an Imposter References: <> I would have an enormous respect for the amount of the work and enthusiasm Trygve puts into starting a cryonics facility in Norway, were it not for the credibility gap created by his dogged pursuance of his primary patient. There is so much wrong with this project, that it severely taints not only his own credibility but also the credibility of cryonics as a whole. First of all there is the identity of "Elisabeth Kostadinova". I am ESL (English Second Language) myself. Beside my mother tongue, German, I also speak fluently Farsi, although after almost 40 years none-use it is quite rusty), learned Russian and Latin in school and can dabble in three or four other languages with help of my hands and feet. I have also been active as a volunteer in an organization, which helps immigrants and refugees adapting to life in Canada. This all does not make me a linguistic scholar, but it does give me an insight into accents and into mistakes people without good English language skills usually make. Yes accents show through even in written texts. Per example the name "Kostadinova" indicates Slavic heritage. Slav languages do not have any articles (the, a and an). Accordingly Slavs, even with good English language skills, often drop their articles. I am amused to hear Russian hockey players, who have excellent English skills, with very little vocal accent at press interviews, still forgetting to insert the odd 'a' and 'the'. Elisabeth shows none of these or any other typical faults. She simply types good English, with the odd letters either inserted or left out of her text, in obnoxious capitalisation. That is a very poor imitation of a written accent. So much to the person providing your primary patient. - Now to the preservation bit (I am writing this as if I thought the whole thing was for real): E s father (F) was buried in March. While at that time the air temperature in Oz was already decreasing, ground temperature, the medium in which F was buried, was at- or very near its peak and will not reach its annual low for another month or two. So it is highly likely, that F s brain is in a very advanced stage of decomposition. Add to this the ice damage and cold fracturing, because at that at that stage perfusion withany cryoprotectant is impossible, without completely destroying, what is left, the ice damage and cold fracturing and you will have a brain in a condition, which will make it completely unreadable by any restorative technology nano-tech can ever be hoped to provide. If the vast majority of even the staunchest cryonicists doubts, that you have the hope of a snowflake in hell (or for us atheists: in the atmosphere of Venus :), just think, what fun the outside world will have with this, if it turns out, that E is a reporter-imposter. Quote: DEAR, TRYGVE, WE ARE GOING TO TALK FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY AS TO WHETHER TO GO THOUGH WITH THE CRYONICS, PRESERVATION,OR PERMA FROST. AS WE THINK ITS BETTER FOR THE FREEEZEING THEN NOT,AND PRESERVEING OR WITHTHE BURIEL, AS I WILL GET BACK TO YOU TOMMORROW, ABOUT A FINAL DECISION, End of Quote The comma after Dear does not belong in any language, I ever heard of. It is therefore not an accent, but just something thrown in to act as such. WE ARE GOING TO TALK FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY AS TO WHETHER TO GO THOUGH WITH THE CRYONICS, PRESERVATION... Except for the FOR , which has been thrown in to pretend accent, this sentence reveals a fairly sophisticated command of English, which is inconsistent with her pretence of unfamiliarity with it, by leaving out the 'r' in THROUGH and tossing in a couple of extra E's in FREEEZEING. It would have been more credible, if she had spelled it freesing or freasing Trygve, you are being had. But nevertheless, I wish you good luck. Though I wish that you would excert your considerable effort on prospective patients, who are more worthwhile. To imply revivability in a decomposed body is, even by the most optimistic projections of future capabilities, not reasonable. Best, Olaf Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16752