X-Message-Number: 16761 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 16:25:36 -0400 From: fair4us <> Subject: Re: Cryonet #16753 & #16755, Mike Darwin Etc. --=====================_40253669==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Olaf Henny thinks that there is no difference between LEF's and Mike Darwin's positions on Vitamin C. I think Olaf overlooked that Mike was discussing both Vitamin C supplementation by a living person, and use of the substance in cryopreservation. LEF's article cited in my prior post tries to rebut a recent scientific study regarding the former. Mike seems to side with that study. In my prior post, I was hoping to elicit from Mike or whomever, further insight regarding that issue. If Vitamin C megadoses indeed produce artery thickening and rampant radicals, I am personally concerned, but need to be convinced. I, too, have been appreciative and in awe of Saul & Bill's efforts over the years as enumerated by Mike, and have purchased vitamins from LEF. One "serving" of LEF's Life Extension Mix has 2605 mg of Vitamin C, over 10 times the maximum recommended by Mike, and I have further supplemented by as much as 5000 mg/day. How soon am I going to die? A few remarks regarding Mike's #16755: >The following points need to be made and made emphatically: >1) I do not know who Fair4us is, does anyone else? I don't know what the point is, or why it should be emphatic. Does it matter who I am, and would/should you respond to my post any differently if you knew? As simply as I can put it, I am just a person who prefers to remain anonymous on the net, since these postings are archived forever for public view. I am among many on Cryonet, as is evident from recent postings. I'm interested in cryonics and related life extension issues, or I wouldn't be here. I like to find out what is really going on about such matters. >2) I have never worked for the Life Extension Foundation or for Bill Faloon >or Saul Kent. With both great pride and gratitude I have worked for a number >of organizations which LEF has supported including the Alcor Life Extension >Foundation, 21st Century Medicine and Critical Care Research. In some cases >LEF was the major supporter of these organizations, but in no case was LEF >"the boss," or, for that matter the only significant investor or contributor. OTOH, somebody at LEF thinks they own 21st Century Medicine. To quote: "In 2000...At The Foundation's 21st Century Medicine research laboratory, a breakthrough in organ preservation methods should enable exponentially greater numbers of successful heart and kidney transplants to occur." This is from http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/track2.html. This would lead me, the lay reader, to conclude that at a minimum LEF is the major stockholder, but since 21st is privately held, I can't verify it (remarkably similar to CI's apparent difficulties in assessing 21st's products). >3) In the approximately 20 years I have been involved with Saul Kent and Bill >Faloon... I see my post inspired a lengthy treatise on this subject, which I'm sure benefitted many folks who wondered why you are no longer with 21st and what your present stance towards them is. It was more along that line than I was looking for, but the insights are appreciated. I was and still am hoping for more insight regarding the personal consumption of Vitamin C megadoses; input from you, LEF scientists, and anyone else, would be of interest. The relationship of that issue to cryonics is that we might present the best quality specimen possible for cryopreservation. >7) I can only conclude that whoever Fair4us is s/he is either uniformed, >grossly irresponsible, a pernicious liar, or all of the above. OUCH! The "old" Mike returns! Take your Prozac! (just kidding). I will admit to being uninformed, which is why I asked the questions. The other adjectives are apparent defensive projections from the way I worded some things; did not mean to confuse; just the inherent nature of "modem chat" at work. >So, if Fair4us wants to be fair, he should point the finger at me, not at >Bill, Saul, or LEF. Not my intention to point fingers. All of you have done and are still doing great things for cryonics. I'd just like to hear more about the Vitamin C megadose issue, and if the studies are not clear, I'd hope somebody follows through in clearing the issues up. --=====================_40253669==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16761