X-Message-Number: 16835 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:42:13 -0400 From: fair4us <> Subject: Trolling for Vitamin C Safety Info. In #16789, curiously titled "Trolling for Hate," Mike Darwin tries to psychoanalyze my recent post, and to conclude "This is a person with history and an agenda of some sort to prosecute." It doesn't work, because most of the assumptions are invalid. The only history I'm dealing with is what I know of published materials from Cryonics and Cryonics-related organizations, and from Cryonet archives. I learned a lot about Mike from Cryonet archives of around 5-6 years ago, and I have read most of them. His more recent postings seem calmer and more positive, until I started asking (I guess) the wrong questions. I do not intend to prosecute any agenda or anybody. My main agenda was to try to get Mike and any others to further clarify the Vitamin C issue, since it is personal to me. If there was a secondary agenda, it was to learn why Mike suddenly made a public statement in favor of the study in which LEF finds flaws, and along with that it would have been helpful to have learned why Mike is no longer with 21CM (assuming that he is not) and why after some years of eschewing cryonics he has suddenly decided to start a cryonics company. But, instead of clarifying issues on Vitamin C and cryonics/research organizations, about all we got was pages of loyalty statements to Saul and Bill (most of which was no doubt accurate and well deserved, but a little much). The latter was really the lesser issue in my mind, and I can't really understand why it was blown out of proportion when all I said was "Ah, but Mike doesn't work for them anymore, right?" I'm sorry if this made Mike think I am some old enemy, or trying to ruin somebody's "good name" (whose and how??) but I am not; I have never met him. And, more on the matter of whether Mike ever worked for them, perhaps he never knew that according to a 21CM insider (whose name and private email message I am ethically constrained from divulging) 21CM is apparently owned over 50% by a non-profit organization "related to LEF" (notwithstanding the LEF web page claim posted earlier that 21CM is LEF's research laboratory). If Mike had spent more time on the above issues and less time defending his mentors and attacking me, we would all be ahead. In that light, I wish to thank him for rephrasing my prior email. If he does not wish to talk any more about organizational issues and affiliations, at least he might give more attention to the following: "I don't understand Mike Darwin's position on vitamin C. In light of the papers and other analysis cited by the Life Extension foundation at this website: http://www.lef.org/featured-articles/may2000_vitamin_c_01.html I'd be interested to know what Mike Darwin's response to this is? I am a layman without expertise in these areas and I find the apparent contradictions confusing. I'm sure other people in my position feel the same way." Thank you. NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16835