X-Message-Number: 16904 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> Subject: Definition of the word cryonics. Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:32:00 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1066B.797EB960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Trygve's second post (2 out of 4) to Cryonet for July the 6th, 2001. The goal is personal life-extension, or rather to survive as a continuation of oneself to the highest possible degree. When it is not possible to survive as a 100% continuation of oneself, the goal opens for the whole specter between 100 % survival and 100 % extinction. In this regard, Cryonics is just one of many means. So far cryonics have been used as the name on the process of freezing dead corpses, heads, brains (and even tissue samples) with the purpose or hope that this might make it possible sometime in the future to bring back to life the dead people involved. Present cryonics organizations have frozen both humans and pets. They have frozen corpses, heads, brains and tissue samples in various stages of deterioration from just dead to long dead or even long burried. So far all this has been called cryonics. If some people now want to reserve the word cryonics for the freezing of people under the most ideal circumstances, then it is a little late now to change the definition of a word that already has a different meaning. Furthermore if we use cryonics only as a name for the freezing of people in such a way that these can be brought back alive, then some critics might rightfully say: that no one frozen so far might fall in the category! Any accusation that I am doing this for the money, falls on its own absurdity: I have assisted this lady from Australia for 1 month now, without asking nor receiving one penny. Several years ago I assisted Hindal in the freezing of his mother, and Saby in the freezing of his mother , also then without getting my expenses covered. I have also assisted for free in many suspension requests that never led to a suspension. So far my involvement in cryonics has been a continuous outlay of time and money. I am involved because I want to be frozen under the best possible circumstances myself, and to accomplish that we have to establish more organizations, and better services outside the United States too, since it is clear that still more people fall outside the services provided by the present US organizations, and miss the cryonic life-boat alltogether. Witness the many post mortem requests that the cryonic organizations get, and that they in my opinion does not do enough to assist. The prevailing attitude seems to be to let all but the best post mortem request cases rot, while I see some value in maintaining even more decomposed corpses. See other articles I have posted on the topic at Trygve's cryonics forum: http://network54.com/Forum/136627 Sincerely, Trygve Bauge Ps. Please post any responses to my cryonics forum so that we do not clogg up cryonet. Thanks. Trygve Bauge ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1066B.797EB960 Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16904