X-Message-Number: 16964 From: Keith Rene Dugue <> Subject: Comments on #16951: The real reason people don't sign up [david pizer] Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:59:36 -0700 I think Dave's assessment of the real reason is correct. They don't want to interject naked superstitious statements amongst your logical reasons for choosing Cryonics. But the Christian heaven is totally illogical anyway. Regaining conscienceless in an advanced future will be very shocking even for those who have thought out many possibilities and still keep an open mind that they may wrong. But what about a temporal being regaining consciousness "somewhere" outside of space-time controlled by an omnipotent being who created the source of all suffering and evil but claims he loves you? Which takes more imagination? Assuming the Christian model of the afterlife, how can a person in heaven be happy looking down into hell *and seeing friends ,relatives and children suffering with out end (what ever that means outside of space-time)? What about those good hearts that "made it" to heaven because they could not bear to see others suffer and helped everyone they could? Heaven would be shear HELL for them because they could do nothing more than watch. The Christian response , I usually get ,to these scenarios is that the people in heaven will simply stop caring about all those deserving ,eternally damned. Is that logical? Watching your loved ones from heaven lonely, grieving and heartbroken without you ,your love and your help can't be a recipe for happiness even in heaven. We are all filthy rich by the standards of 2000 years ago so it will be very hard for most modern world Christians to make it to heaven. Maybe heaven is almost empty? Who knows? If you are not sure what you are going to get, why not stick with a known quantity. Choose Cryonics because it may give you enough time to ensure your entry into heaven. *Luke 16:22-25" And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented." Keith R. Dugu Cryonics: A reasonable odds lottery ticket to the rest of forever NO SPAM -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> Comment: If you decrypted the above message then store it encrypted mQGiBDULe+YRBADUywd6brECHKAiWuc2uO/fqmnkjTbuawuieSIsYSiW8u2ZEhpH zauVhfn8+qUj0qEDzUsAy6P62zRyxMuyr6XPkqC2IgNYnJU9t0V5erATzV1DipM3 RVJY8TwaByYke2Ze7cALAXR0LcSpWfFDzCUis12WmrxXwsJKaKdo+ow2ywCg/3V8 vG6/7edhuWQaWoLkPE8bFk8D/jsRnV+RMlrz2aClkPKGzhEJ0LMRSrIE0VLATsbd VYNnxi2U/RU7oDiZif/86l4VOs7U1GxcIfPFJpEVMjCRknq4GXiUk4mdG5lWLt3V FikRFAkWePeSMjuAfLuXgxo+TTXvc23C7blKQCejI6rtuuEJL4EFpMYIHDk5FB1f V6b1A/4l1ecDQVgXeEpuQScejADXDdFlAi3JId9W1oGCtJiZuIvetPO9ZgGz17oO MJv5rdyLlP3JlEiTonGYGZHimVPqbAKooJ95ZOmat3IYJ3M6ANWod0WZd0h7ZFiV u/e/dHKw9DY6tza2viL3gugB26VI7JWCMsM0PGd/ONJ/adHNc7QuS2VpdGggUmVu ZSBEdWd1ZSA8a2VpdGguZHVndWVAaW50ZXJuZXRtY2kuY29tPokASwQQEQIACwUC NQt75gQLAwIBAAoJEE79fUZZPbOixEwAoK+KDiymvtybRIhkg4RyNGCmt56EAJ99 91A2zbKAuz9y/UUcxt2PBSo56rkCDQQ1C3vnEAgA9kJXtwh/CBdyorrWqULzBej5 UxE5T7bxbrlLOCDaAadWoxTpj0BV89AHxstDqZSt90xkhkn4DIO9ZekX1KHTUPj1 WV/cdlJPPT2N286Z4VeSWc39uK50T8X8dryDxUcwYc58yWb/Ffm7/ZFexwGq01ue jaClcjrUGvC/RgBYK+X0iP1YTknbzSC0neSRBzZrM2w4DUUdD3yIsxx8Wy2O9vPJ I8BD8KVbGI2Ou1WMuF040zT9fBdXQ6MdGGzeMyEstSr/POGxKUAYEY18hKcKctaG xAMZyAcpesqVDNmWn6vQClCbAkbTCD1mpF1Bn5x8vYlLIhkmuquiXsNV6TILOwAC Agf/aykzIA0XF0OAzcibwNRYL3SgXrZHlyX1V3yjHYOv5pudtNxtUopCj63SkDFD 4EheL7j/EGngu2KbcbbE6plRK2WmdOK4KIuzBgOABoEpglBI6gScwvBDkHezVqyM MdSbe/bzrHFp6G+hKz3fQMuM1VK2PVSYcA+7R7DtIPNh5MIOsmVcqqZsNbh93QlD b2OKvhqitcJqNt8AHQjhQTVI5c5wmzqRtj3xnGrkeBovGfYEXEHJDH6mlQ6aIalL 3z4tDEAeCMlFYxXplU8JQ7xJPhdPgI1zQR1rihJNNBiGrfAAxT8KeS6bcxAo72+5 PXXIXg+tJDsOV6Ihi/ylWt/ygIkARgQYEQIABgUCNQt75wAKCRBO/X1GWT2zom3s AKDssc1uowUMhZObPiKpRNvs9PjUNQCg838E1lzbDC0MGxGSVal5e2LO3Ro= =NGwr -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=16964