X-Message-Number: 16964
From: Keith Rene Dugue <>
Subject: Comments on #16951: The real reason people don't sign up [david pizer]
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:59:36 -0700


I think Dave's assessment of the real reason is correct. They don't want to 
interject naked  superstitious statements amongst your logical reasons for 
choosing Cryonics. But the Christian heaven is totally illogical anyway. 
Regaining conscienceless in an advanced future will be very shocking even for 
those who have thought out many possibilities and still keep an  open mind that 
they may wrong. But what about a temporal being regaining consciousness 
"somewhere" outside of space-time controlled by an omnipotent being who created 
the source of all suffering and evil but claims he loves you? Which takes more 
imagination?


Assuming the Christian model of the afterlife, how can a person in heaven be 
happy looking down into hell *and seeing friends ,relatives and children 
suffering with out end (what ever that means outside of space-time)? What about 
those good hearts that "made it" to heaven because they could not bear to see 
others suffer and helped everyone they could? Heaven would be shear HELL for 
them because they could do nothing more than watch.  The Christian response , I 
usually get ,to these scenarios is that the people in heaven will simply stop 
caring about all those deserving ,eternally damned. Is that logical?

Watching your loved ones from heaven lonely, grieving and heartbroken without 
you ,your love and your help can't be a recipe for happiness even in heaven.

We are 

all filthy rich by the standards of 2000 years ago so it will be very hard for 
most modern world Christians to make it to heaven. Maybe heaven is almost empty?
Who knows? 

If you are not sure what you are going to get, why not stick with a known 
quantity. Choose Cryonics because it may give you enough time to ensure your 
entry into heaven.


*Luke 

16:22-25" And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the 
angels into 

Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up 
his eyes, 

being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he 
cried 

and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip 
the tip 

of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 
But 

Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good 
things, and 

likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."

Keith R. Dugu 



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