X-Message-Number: 17103 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:25:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Eivind Berge <> Subject: self-worth George Smith wrote: > It is possible to imagine a life without self judgement first. > Just imagine what it would be like to skip that part and get on > to doing what you wanted to do. The first step in planning is > knowing where you want to end up. I agree. It seems to me that assigning an infinite value to yourself would also work just as well as skipping the self-estimation. Both of these would also be equivalent to embracing egoism, which I did long ago. John Grigg wrote: > I feel to be a sentient being is more then enough reason to feel > justified in one's existance. I do also feel that a person does > need to have respect for others(not murdering, raping, robbing, > or torturing them) as a basic component of worth. And also, > trying to develop one's personal potential, along with helping > other's where it is possible, adds to one's value. Then you have not really liberated yourself from the notion of externally justified self-worth. In order to do this, you have to stop telling people how they must act before they can feel they are worth something. *We* may not think much of the murderer, but that is irrelevant to him if he follows the advice of George Smith. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17103