X-Message-Number: 17168
From: "Trygve Bauge" <>
References: <>
Subject: Re: Elizabeth Kostadinova
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:26:17 +0200

I sent a long list of questions to Elizabeth,
she answered only a few of the questions,
but it became clear that she did not have her mother's or her sister's
consent,
both of which are needed in order to legaly exhume and freeze her father.
It also became clear that she could not afford to have him frozen.
Maybe her family could have afforded full cryonic suspension, but she was
apparently not able to convince them to go along not even with preserving a
tissue sample.
Thus I am not doing anything more on this case.

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge




----- Original Message -----
From: "Marta Sandberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 4:11 AM
Subject: Elizabeth Kostadinova


>
> Dear Trygve Bauge,
>
> Thank you for including me on the mailing list re the plight of Elizabeth
> Kostadinova. As soon as I heard about the case, I referred it to the
> Cryonics Association of Australia.
>
> But it was one of those unfortunate cases when it simply was too late.
>
> Stories like this highlights the need for LIVING people to make
arrangements
> whilst there still is time.
>
> It is good to see that somebody was still willing to help a stranger.
>
> Can I add a word of caution? After a death, people are very emotional and
> will do almost anything to avoid facing grief. Cryonics does not stop you
> from grieving - but it helps to make it more sufferable. (I know; as my
> husband is frozen).
>
> However, when someone who has never heard about cryonics before become
> fanatic to have their father frozen after death, it is advisable to
consider
> why they are doing it. Do they really believe in cryonics or are they
trying
> to run away from death? Will they be very grateful for your help now, but
> try to sue you in a years time saying that you swindled them out of money
at
> a time when they where emotionally vulnerable?
>
> The existing cryonic organizations insist on high up-front fees at the
time
> of death. This ensures that arrangements must be made beforehand and that
> relatives don't have to continuously pay over the years.
>
> It is a lesson they learnt the hard way. It is useful to study the sorry
> history of failed cryonic organizations. It is also sobering to realize
how
> often cryonic organizations have been taken to court, sometimes by
relatives
> that were very helpful (and even grateful) at the time of death.
>
> I believe you are trying to do the humane thing, but being humane and
human
> emotions (particularly strong ones associated with death) can sometimes
> clash.
>
> Long life and good luck,
>
> Marta Sandberg
>
>
>
>
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