X-Message-Number: 17923 From: Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:10:42 EST Subject: re: Illusory Abundance #17908 A special thanks to both Mike Darwin and Mark Plus for posting some very informative and thought provoking information. Another point that I'd like to add to the discussion, is that far too often, people have the medical insurance or monetary resources to pay for treatment they need, but they never connect with the treatment, due to mismanagement of HMO's, doctors ignorant of the latest treatments, or geographic removal from treatment centers. I have an excellent doctor, but he's constantly surprised when I ask him about recent treatment news that I've heard about. The internet is wonderful, but there needs to be a sort of monolithic medical news resource, so when someone has condition X, they can reference easily all the studies, information, and even the more holistic (if that's the right term) treatments for condition X. There certainly is a predisposition with doctors to allow patients to die when they run out of their handy or convenient bag of tricks- without going the extra mile. But I don't necessarily blame the doctors, I also think at least 50% of the problem is most people don't take care of themselves, in fact abuse themselves- bad food, no sleep, way too much caffeine, no exercise, and very high stress- so when a doctor sees a patient who obviously cares so little about themselves, who can blame the doctor for not caring more than the patient? And that can unfairly bleed over to the patients who really try to be healthy. I'm reasonably fit, and several times I've gone to a doctor, sick as a dog, and they've kinda looked at me and said, what's wrong with you, you look healthy... and my response has been I am healthy except for this one thing that's making me sick! But when I looked around the waiting room, I could understand why the doctor was surprised I was there, compared to many of the people in the room, I looked great. Also, regarding the high cost of advanced medicine- well, the cutting edge stuff is very expensive, but the head of Abiocor, makers of the artificial heart, says the cost of the heart will probably quickly drop from $75,000 to $25,000- and the surgery costs will drop as well, to the point that a heart attack will be more expensive to treat than installing an artificial heart. Also also, there's the whole new field of custom designer drugs, that are specifically targeted to turning genes on and off, and the new field of hyperimmune products- I think in the near future it will be much cheaper to stay healthy with the advances which promise simpler, more direct health treatment. Another interesting point is that its cheaper to treat people to keep them healthy, so they don't require expensive medical treatment later... I read the state of Calif finds it cheaper by 50% or more- to provide AIDS meds to patients and keep them healthy than to treat the illnesses they would show up with if they didn't have the meds they needed. Another example, I have sleep apnea- and my HMO gladly spent about $5000 for my sleep study and CPAP machine- because if I didn't have that, I would be prone to stroke and heart attack- so they are saving themselves about $70,000 in treatment costs by keeping me healthy now. I'm also thinking about the whole body scan, and putting aside monies every month to pay for scans on a regular basis. I think that we're starting to crest the hill in medical expenses- and that advanced treatments will become cheaper in the long term, and more readily available. "The problem with doctors is they're just human!" Mike Donahue Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=17923