X-Message-Number: 18369 From: "John de Rivaz" <> References: <> Subject: Re: A humanist's flirtation with Immortalism Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:05:10 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- > Message #18366 > From: "Mark Plus" <> > Subject: A humanist's flirtation with Immortalism > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:34:19 -0800 > > continue even today, Christianity will deserve the "credit" for putting at > least our grandparents' generation, and our parents' and our own in their > graves. How many more will be lost before the conquest of death? Why single out Christianity? Is not all religion similarly responsible - diverting effort from what really may solve the problem of death into pointless ceremony and ritual? I would refer people again to Thomas Donaldson's remark about Jesus -- >>> Furthermore, just to shake up the Christians a bit, NOWHERE in this book do we find any strictures on the MEANS that believers in Jesus are to employ in order to live forever. It does not say that we are to achieve this goal by singing and dancing about lighted candles and a pentagram, or by attending a church, or by standing on street corners reading The Bible. It just says that if we believe in HIM we shall never die. If someone dies, that shows they cannot have believed. Whatever they were doing, it wasn't the right thing. We note that the world is littered with the bodies of revivalists, prelates, and preachers of all kinds. <<< and >>> Clearly, physical resurrection must have some very real value for believers in Jesus' teachings. Not only that, but Jesus himself in his answer to Martha is specifically denying the metaphorical interpretation. <<< To find the rest of the article, go to http://www.cryonics-europe.org and click on "Cryonics and Religion". -- Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://www.deRivaz.com my homepage links to Longevity Report, Fractal Report, music, Inventors' report, an autobio and various other projects: http://www.geocities.com/longevityrpt http://www.autopsychoice.com - http://www.cryonics-europe.org - http://www.porthtowan.com Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=18369