X-Message-Number: 20149 From: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:02:41 EDT Subject: Re: CryoNet #20132 - #20143 In a message dated 9/23/02 2:00:53 AM, writes: <<Mark Plus: I happen to find all this talk of "mystical" & "spiritual" experiences baffling. I have no clue what such people are mouthing off about. d: find out. ............ LATORRA: What do you mean by "find out"? Meditate? Pray? Take psychedelics? Use a "brain machine" to induce mystical experiences? One could do some or all of that. I certainly have. But these experiences prove nothing...except that homo sapiens are capable of having such experiences. The experiences certainly don't prove the existence of God, an afterlife, or anything else that some people interpret them to mean. In other words, the meaning is added to the experience by the experiencer. The experiences themselves are just whatever they are: bliss, love, union with something greater, etc. Heck, even many so-called spiritual masters (e.g., Adi Da) warn their followers not to get attached to these experiences. If they don't idolize these subjective states, then why should we?>> d: one may say the same of "ordinary" experiences. and one should. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=20149