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From: "davepizer" <>
Subject: Answer to Thomas Donaldson
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:43:17 -0500

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Dr. Donaldson said:  
"As I understand it, when Ventureville grows up, or at least some
time in its growth, it will provide a place for those seriously
ill --- a place for CRYONICISTS who are seriously ill to be
close to a suspension facility and a suspension team. Particularly
for cryonicists who normally live distant from most other
cryonicists, it would give a setting in which they could be
suspended quickly and with better final state than if they 
remained near their home. To my mind this constitutes THE
major reason for Ventureville, actually. If I am wrong I'd
like to know from Dave Pizer that these ideas are wrong."


You are not wrong.  One of the many benefits Ventureville will provide to the 
cryonics community is a place for those seriously ill to come and be close to 
Alcor.


But as you know Thomas, and perhaps many others do not, when a cryonicist 
becomes seriously ill it is often hard to get him/her to leave his/her home 
(which may be far from Alcor or other cryonics facilities).  There is something 
comforting in being at home when you are "sick."  It is hard for some to leave 
home to go to a strange place when you are about to die and you don't know if 
that is the eternal end or not.


So in the past, even though Alcor found hospices that were close to Alcor for 
terminal cryonicists to come, many of them did not want to.  I can't blame them 
in some ways.  Those of you who have visited a hospice know how depressing they 
can be.  


The advantage of Ventureville will be that we will not look at death as the end 
of life, but as the beginning of your trip to the future.  I think that might 
help remove some of the fear and anxiety of dying even if it turns out that it 
isn't permanent, because at the present time of what we now call death, we can't
know if cryonics will work or not and if we are going to be revived or not.


Another thing that will help relieve the horror of dying (and not know if 
cryonics is going to work), will be that people earlier in their normal 
lifetimes, in periods of good health, can come to the resort part of 
Ventureville, (Creekside Preserve Lodge),  and stay there in happy times and 
become familiar with the facility and the area.  Then when it is time to be 
frozen, you will going to a place close to Creekside, (and all an overall part 
of Ventureville), that you are familiar with and that has an attitude that this 
deanimation is not death but the doorway to more life.


(segue from Pizer the philosopher to Pizer the businessman) ........ and while 
we are on that subject Thomas, and others,  don't forget that on Sunday October 
27th The Creekside Preserve Lodge will be having an open house for cryonicists -
compete with a buffet luncheon, tours, and an address by Dr. Jerry Lemler.   I 
hope you will all plan to attend this gala event.  If you have a group that you 
think may want to put on conferences in the future, please inspect our 
conference facility also.  


The Creekside Preserve Lodge may become a part of overall Ventureville (the 
larger concept)  if things go well.  We want the support of the cryonics 
community so that we can feel confident in making further investments in this 
area.


David Pizer


PS:  If you have ideas that you would like to see incorporated in a cryonics 
community, please express them in this forum so that we can all explore them.

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