X-Message-Number: 20623 From: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:32:42 EST Subject: Life force --part1_168.189b7b35.2b2e16ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is somewhat beyond cryonics but fall in the survivability domain. In Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR), looking at the magnetic field seen by an nucleus, we can deduce what nearby atoms are there. The signal given by a proton in hydrogen is not the same if the hydrogen atom is part of H2, H2O or some protein for example. The need to have many bits in a quantum computer using NMR has put that capacity to see "far away" to new hights. My problem is: Can we find something on an atom that can tell us if it is a part of a large organized structure such life? I was ready to take the problem at its roots and looking at all potential forces. In physics, there are four fundamental force fields, at least there was: Gravitation, electromagnetism, the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force. Now, thing have evolved somewhat: there is the gravitation comming from geometrical curvature in a four dimensional continuum (not so sure general relativity works in 3+1 dimensional space-time!). The other forces come from group symetries: U(1) for electromagnetism, SU(2) for a 2-dimensions-like electromagnetism, the real EM being a blend of both defined by a vector tilted some 22 degrees from the first axis. The weak nuclear force is the same with a blend at right angle from the EM one. The strong nuclear force is a non local effect a residual of the color force inside nuclear particle. The color force is the result of SU(3) symetry. There have been many theories to extent this to the next prime number symetry: SU(5), using supersymetry this may eventually produce something. I am not optimist about that. SU(3) asks for 6 (pseudo)eucliden dimension to be realized, this is the maximum we can have in a phase space built on ordinary 3 dimensional euclidean space, so it would be logical to cut SU(N) at N=3 in eucledean space. My next question is then: Can be there other forces, outside geometrical curvature and group symetries? A force expresses itself as a covariant derivative, so the question could as well being: Are there covariant derivative outside group symetries and geometric curvature? Continuity, a topological property can do it. Eversion, another topological object could do too, producing SU-like symetries, for example SU(1,1) in place of SU(2). These seems not the best candidates for a long range force. Large principal quantum number n could do, but it would be very unstable in condensed matter. I think there is a definite possibility with non locality: Space without the concept of point or brane (strings,...). This could be described by Clifford algebra spaces. The question is then to build a "converter": A formula expressing how something in a Clifford space can be brought back to a point-like structure and giving here a covariant derivative. If that can be done, we would have a new kind of force: One comming from the nonlocal properties of space. Physicists struggle for a century now to put a bridge between geometrical and group sysmetry forces. They may now face two other force domains: Continuity from topology and Clifford from nonlocality. The last, as a non local structre would be a prime choice to describe large organized structures such life. Can we map a full body or a brain from some atoms and a Clifford field? My model for such a field is the residual em field outside an atom, the Van der Waals force: The negative electron charge can't cancel exactly the equal and positive proton charge because both are not precisely at the same place. So it is a nonlocal force field. In the same way, the strong nuclear force is the nonlocal part of the SU(3) color field. We could call these force clifford-derived group forces. They are not the pure clifford forces, but Van der Waals is a prime candidate for a life force. The problem is that VdW is a phenomenological theory, not the Clifford to covariant connection we need to exploit it in full. An idea? How the system would work? The ordinary VdW force remains very local at the scale of life. So we would have to enginer it. We would have to build a VdW force field corresponding to a large non locality in the Clifford space. Using our formula in the connection to clifford, we could map the far away environment (one meter away?) then we would read the result at local scale using the formulas in the direction Clifford to covariant connection. Add that to the extended present concept and black magic filtered out quantum states and you can recover from ashes. (Some years ago, I said I'll give the solution to that). Yvan Bozzonetti. --part1_168.189b7b35.2b2e16ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=20623