X-Message-Number: 20829 From: Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 12:44:47 EST Subject: Re: Blind faith --part1_1a9.f2babbc.2b51b20f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Stephen Ritger <> > > If you believe that there has been "nothing really new" > invented/discovered over the last 30-40 years, then you must have been > living in a cave in Afghanistan or something. The advances in medical > science alone would fill a library! TV, VCR, Computers, solid state electronics, cars, air planes including jets, satellite launchers, concrete, plastics, antibiotics, sulfamids, vaccines, nature of DNA structure, all that predate your 30 - 40 time frame. Yes, today computers are smaller, more powerfull, air travel more common and cheaper,... This is quantitative technological adjustments, not fundamental progress. Look at 40 years back and see what was seen then as progress for the comming 40 years: Electric cars, transonic magnetic floating trains, flying cars, manned Jupiter moons exploration, Mars base and Moon colony, universal cancer cure,... That was blind faith, you see nothing from that now. In forty years, the world will be more or less as it is today because this is the interest of rullers in politics, religion, finance, and so on. Well there will be high speed Internet and larger computer memory if that don't hurt too much the show-bizz pressure group and similar gadgets. Not much. > > Also, pointing out the accelerating pace of technology is not an act of > "blind faith". Quite the opposite...it is based upon sound scientific > principles and documented historical facts. Perhaps you are not as > optimistic as some of us about the future of technology, but calling it > "blind faith" is utterly disingenuous. > There are less and less engineers in schools, science budget are on the down in most countries, space is over, biology is limited by religions or becomes a sect gadget. If you see accelerated progress, please tell me what you smoke. :-(( > But...I guess if you're so sure that your "non-local force fields" and > such will be the holy grail of revival of cryonics patients, then maybe > we should just abandon all other avenues of endeavor...after all, > they're just "blind faith." > Physics is the root of real technological progress, everything else is mere cosmetic adjustments. You can't have magnetic resonance imaging without a concept of nuclear matter, electromagnetism theory and relativistic quantum mechanics for the spin. Cryonics is a hard nut to crack, it will need more than cosmetics/quantitative progress, new tools are in order and that will come from a better, larger understanding of physics. Thinking about rest mass and thermodynamics as time- like dimensions or seeing Earth as a magnetospheric eternaly colapsing object in some inertial frame, expand our view of the world. Including single sided derivative in physics in another intellectual dimension. We need larger thinking, not saying: gadgets from the market will give us god power in 40 years. > Whatever the exact method used, the fact remains that once a patient is > cryonically suspended, time is then on their side. Whether it takes 30 > years or 300 years to develop the revival technology matters not one > bit...the patient will eventually be revived (barring some catastrophe) > and will subjectively experience only a brief moment of unconsciousness > before reawakening to an indefinite lifespan in a world of plenty. > Really, I would know what you smoke :-) Hitler has took power in a democratic system, the current US president has been put in place by a juge pannel, a less democratic system. The french president has been reelected as a dictator after media brain washing. The democratic process is now largely in the hand of a bunch of opinion makers. How do you think it will take, one day or another, for a "strong power" to turn all cryonics facilities to some church? If you think you have 300 years of freedom on the comming road, really you have found something stronger than crack. No sheep could do better that your last sentence. Yvan Bozzonetti. --part1_1a9.f2babbc.2b51b20f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=20829