X-Message-Number: 21044 From: "michaelprice" <> References: <> Subject: Electrons - again! Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:57:21 -0000 I'm surprised that Thomas Donaldson (like Ettinger) can say: > but it's simply false that a quantum > theory which sees electrons as constructed of smaller parts > will leave our ideas about their identity untouched. The > movement of the subentities which make up an electron may > cause effects that we can devise instruments able to detect. since I gave the counter example protons which, although composite, are identical. As I've previously pointed out in this discussion with Ettinger, the posited hidden attributes of electrons will not cause a future refinement of electrons into subspecies. We know this because the occupancy number of electron orbitals is an absolute measure of the electron species number, not a reflection of our knowledge of electron attributes. As with electrons, so with elephants. In other words - and please pay attention everybody who claims I'm "patently absurd " (Etttinger), "simply false" (Donaldson) or "logically impossible" (Swayze) - my argument is not based on our ability to devise detection equipment. (Note: I'm not saying the electrons may not have some composite structure.) Cheers, Michael C Price ---------------------------------------- http://mcp.longevity-report.com http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21044