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Subject: Language, Truth and Logic 
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:07:57 -0000

David Pizer,
here are a couple of Amazon reviews of  A.J. Ayer's  "Language, Truth
and Logic" (1936).  It will help you on your philosophy course!  I read
it over 20 years ago and found it very conducive for clear thinking.  We
can haggle over some of Ayer's applications of his Logical Positivist
position - are all questions about god are metaphysical? - but the method
generally I have found very sound.  BTW, it is a very slim, jargon free,
accessible volume.

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Synopsis
If you can't prove something, it is literally senseless - so argues Ayer in
this irreverent and electrifying book. Statements are either true by
definition (as in maths), or can be verified by direct experience. Ayer
rejected metaphysical claims about god, the absolute, and objective values
as completely nonsensical. Ayer was only 24 when he finished LANGUAGE,
TRUTH & LOGIC, yet it shook the foundations of Anglo-American
philosophy and made its author notorious. It became a classic text, cleared
away the cobwebs in philosophical thinking, and has been enormously
influential.

 Reviewer: Ben Colburn from Cambridge, United Kingdom
Language, Truth and Logic was the book that got me into philosophy. It is a
model of how we should write in the discipline - Ayer's prose is witty,
fresh and crystal clear. Reading it is like being struck by a bolt from
heaven - while Ayer wasn't expounding his own ideas, his is by far the best
exposition of Logical Positivism and one of the best pieces of philosophical
exposition ever written. Worth taking with a pinch of salt - Ayer was on the
right lines, but in the final analysis this is too iconoclastic (as he
himself eventually admitted). Still, if you want to read a book that will
take you by the scruff of the neck, shake you vigorously and make you look
at the world in a completely new way, then this is exactly what need.

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Dave says:
>  If, say, Mike Perry, (he wants to make copies of himself),  had a
> copy of himself made and someone killed  the original Mike Perry,
> the original Mike Perry is dead.  Since my logic seems to prove a
> copy is not the original, then I would assume Mike Perry is dead.

But how do we know Mike Perry is dead?  The copy claims he is
Mike Perry.  We have define Mike Perry more carefully.  There is a
Mike Perry before the copying event (archaic Mike Perry) and two
Mike Perrys after the copying (Mike Perry1 and Mike Perry2).
Assuming they have evolved new, post-copying memories then
Mike Perry1 and Mike Perry2 claim their own identities, but they
both also claim to be (archaic) Mike Perry.  Since their claims are not
refutable by any experiment (the "operational definition" bit) then
we should accept that (archaic) Mike Perry has survived, even if
one copy, or the original, is lost.

Thomas Donaldson, once again, assures me my ideas are "simply wrong",
without adequate explanation.  Thanks Thomas, you're simply wrong!  BTW
my argument did not relate to knowledge of physical continuity, as you seem
to think, but to the presumed *dependence upon* physical continuity of
identity.

James Swayze accuses me of preferring my own, arbitrary definition of
identity.  In fact I did not supply my own definition, I merely cast doubt
on the validity of the notion being used to discriminate between copies
and the original.

Cheers,
Michael C Price
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