X-Message-Number: 21335 From: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:43:03 EST Subject: Re: CryoNet #21331 --part1_124.1f274df5.2b94b5e7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From R. Ettinger: > > The usual response of the uploaders is that our own inner experience is > also > "only" the shuffling of symbols such as signals in our brains. But my > suggestion is that qualia do not arise from information processing as such, > > but require (are constituted by) specific physical processes or conditions > in > the brain, such as the right kind of standing wave (the self circuit). > Analogy or metaphor or description won't do; you need the thing itself. > > Robert Ettinger The brain "technology" rests on atomic interactions. These are dominated by the electromagnetic force fiels with symetry U(1). There is a small part coming from electroweak force with symetry SU(2). Not looking at nuclear matter, we can summarize our world as U(1)xSU(2). Now, think about a quark star with long range color force SU(3). That may be seen as a "space" with symetry: U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3). So this space contains a duplicate of our world. There could be "analog" atom with "analog" chemistry in that environment. Why not analog life? If our U(1)xSU(2) world was copied to U(1)xSU(2)xSU(3) would that matter? May be the last part of the movie 2001 a Space Odysey was about something similar. More general yet: What about U(1)xSU(2)x(anything)? Yvan Bozzonetti. --part1_124.1f274df5.2b94b5e7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21335