X-Message-Number: 21367 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> References: <b4d0u2+> Subject: Re: Frozen Dead Guy Days Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 00:20:42 +0100 Verbeke David wrote: > My opinion about this 'frozen dead guy festival' is that it's a > despicable act that turns every cryonicist into a potential carnaval- > attraction. It confirms the idea that common folk have about > somebody who wants his or her body frozen: crackpots. It also > undoubtly undermines the serious work of those who want to make > scientific progress in the field of cryonics and those who want more > rights for the deceased (know that these rights will be as important > to the success of cryonics as technology). To Verbeke David You obviously don't know the situation at all, so let me fill you in on some hard facts: Cryonisists are faced with the same situation as those in favour of human cloning, how to get respect in a conservative world that is afraid of what is new and different and likely to try to outlaw minorities not based on the older established systems of morality. The Jehovas witnesses and the Mormons have been through this situation already, and the Christians were turned into martyrs for centuries before they became established. I have been through the same myself, and it was only my very good name recognition, good standing and many media contacts in Colorado that saved the day, (something I had built up over the years through my Boulder Polar Bear Club and its large annual New Year's Day icedip, celebration and Winter Carnival.) The town board in the town of Nederland Colorado tried to ban cryonics and threatened to thaw out my grandfather back in 1994. The population was on my side, and the town board was replaced at the next election. Since then we have had no problem with the town board. Last year the Colorado state legislature voted on whether or not to declare March the 9th Frozen Dead Guy Day. All the Democrats voted in favour and all the Republicans voted against. Since the Republicans had a small minority, the resolution did not pass. But what other legislature anywhere has come as close to establish a Cryonics Day? For the last two years the local Chamber of Commerce have organized The Frozen Dead Guy Festival, it gives me both income and positive support including a lot of positive attention from world wide media. I for one am very pleased with the local support I have in Colorado. I think the population in Colorado is much more in favour of cryonics than the population in California and Boston! And that Cryonics as a result of my efforts has a better future in Colorado than it has most other places. It is much better to have local support, from the media, population, chamber of commerce and politicians, than not to have such support. Without such support cryonics will get no where. The Christians in order to got established took over the pagant celebrations. So do we have to, if we are to succeed. So just get used to it: The Catholics have their carnival, and now cryonics does do. The Frozen Dead Guy festival is the Mardi Grass of cryonics. Sincerely, Trygve Bauge ----- Original Message ----- From: "seti24belgium" <> To: <> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [Cryonics Europe] frozen dead guy > Dear cryonicists, > > My opinion about this 'frozen dead guy festival' is that it's a > despicable act that turns every cryonicist into a potential carnaval- > attraction. It confirms the idea that common folk have about > somebody who wants his or her body frozen: crackpots. It also > undoubtly undermines the serious work of those who want to make > scientific progress in the field of cryonics and those who want more > rights for the deceased (know that these rights will be as important > to the success of cryonics as technology). > > Verbeke David > CI-member > http://groups.msn.com/cryonicsbelgium > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21367