X-Message-Number: 21370 From: "Trygve Bauge" <> References: <> Subject: Re: Frozen Dead Guy Days Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:13:29 +0100 David Verbeke wrote: > Maybe some common folk may like this little party now, > and the city tries to make some benefit from it. But > will it last? Do you think such actions can build a > solid soil for the rights of cryonicists? I'm > convinced of the contrary. > Trygve's reply: Cheer up, Let me quote the Danish Author Piet Heine: "The one that always takes the light lightly and the serious seriously, he and she have understood both poorly!" This event isn't there to build support for cryonics in Colorado, it is there because of the support that Cryonics (thanks to yours truly) already have in Colorado! The Chamber of Commerce is basically (with my approval) cashing in on the fact that my Grandfather is the most famous resident in the town of Nederland Colorado. His presence there has put Nederland on the world map and attracted film crews and TV stations to the town every year for the last 10 years. The Chamber correctly saw that this was an opportunity to get a festival going and to drum up some business. The United States was founded on the right to the pursuit of happiness, and what better way to be happy than with a fun Winter carnival? It is a free world, (sort of) at least those who like to party are still free to do so, Luckily there is no Cryonics police trying to outlaw Cryonics related parties. If you think such parties are a threat to cryonics, then we disagree and luckily you don't have the power to stop our party. The Frozen Dead Guy Days have lasted two years so far, and that is longer than most other events. My other large Winter carnival, the annual New Year's Day dip at Boulder reservoir just had its twentieth anniversary with more than 450 icebathers. Maybe Frozen dead Guy days will be as long lived? But if it doesn't so what? The festival is just one of many activities organized around my grandfather's suspension over the years: An awardwinning short movie has been made, lots of TV programs have been made etc. I am favourable to activities that keep him and his situation in the public eye. It makes it easier to maintian him long run that way. Most of the things we cryonisists want to do we have to do ourselves, but here the local Chamber of Commerce have organized the event and contributed a lot of volunteer efforts and money to get it going. (Their budget for the festival this year is USD 35,000 and they have had one director working on it full time for a year.) I for one am greatful for the support. I think cryonisists should use the opportunity that this festival is, and participate in the planning of next year's festival. Here is a successful festival, and lots of volunteers, and all we have to do is to participate We could combine the festival with a cryonics conference at the local motel, and an information table on main street. There is a film festival parallell to the Frozen dead Guy Days, so we could show selected cryonics movies as well. If you want to get involved, just contact me or the Nederland Chamber of Commerce. See links to the latter at my web site: www.trygve.bauge.com Ayn Rand died on March the 6th 1982. The calendar based on her death, has now come to: 21.004 (that is 21 years and 4 days after Ayn Rand). Thus the Frozen dead Guy festival is kind of a New Years party for those of us who stick to this calendar. She didn't want to be frozen, though she knew Ettinger, and several of us approached her or Leonard Peikoff about it at the time. However, she wanted people at her death to celebrate life and achievment and life at its best, so a celebration is appropriate. A celebration of those frozen is also a celebration of life. Joyful life-extension is what life is all about. The attempt to restore life to those that are frozen, is one of many possibly highly life-extending ventures, and certainly worth an annual celebration. Sincerely, Trygve Bauge (47)22-14-80-78 Ps 1. There was a misspelling in my last e-mail post. I had written minority when I meant majority. Last year the Republicans had a slight MAJORITY in the Colorado State legislature (the house of representatives), thus the Democratic proposal to state wide make March the 9th Frozen Dead Guy Day, lost with a few votes margin. Thus the Frozen Dead Guy Days are still only a local event in the small mountain town of Nederland Colorado. But if anyone wants to celebrate it elsewhere too, feel free to do so.It is celebrated the 2nd weekend in March each year. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Verbeke" <> To: <> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cryonics Europe] Re: Frozen Dead Guy Days > Mr. Trygve Bauge, > > You're comparing this 'frozen dead guy festival' with > mardi grass. Your comparison is correct, although I > think you have a rather wrong idea about the value of > mardi grass. > > If it's mardi grass, what do we see on tv? We see > drag queens and fags dancing half naked in the streets > of a major city. That makes every gay man a > stereotype fag in the head of much people, just like > your show makes every cryonicist a crackpot in the > mind of a lot of people who see and hear it. Remember > that it weren't those who were dancing half-naked in > the streets that gave gays more rights. It were those > who were doing the serious emancipation work and > lobbying to politicians, trying to change their minds > who were filled with pictures of mardi grass. > > Maybe some common folk may like this little party now, > and the city tries to make some benefit from it. But > will it last? Do you think such actions can build a > solid soil for the rights of cryonicists? I'm > convinced of the contrary. > > Verbeke David > CI-member > philosophy student UG > http://groups.msn.com/cryonicsbelgium > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Yahoo! 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