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Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:57:13 EST
Subject: Re: CryoNet #21412 Conciousness

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> Well the obvious response when someone says something is easy to build
> is to ask them why they haven't done so.
> 
> Pat Clancy

I don't want to quote too much of your message, so there is a broad answer:

First, a neural network is an electronics device built from a set of analog 
neuron simulators. What you have on a computer is a digital simulation of a 
neural net. From my own experience, such simulation have disastrously bad 
neuron simulation capacity. So when speaking about the computer breed, don't 
forget the "simulation" word.

In my view, consciousness is a very primitive and simple process, it did not 
need the processing power of our brain, the neural distributed system of a 
social insect would be conscious. A bee for example has 800,000 neurons.

Assume the master clock has a frequency X, we could choose a value A and 
apply a reset frequency in the range: (X-A, X+A). That 2A frequency domain 
could be split into M elements and each would be chosen at random for a given 
neuron in a given cycle. This would define the blurred reset frequency.

What I say is that if  such a neural net is trained to simulate the outcome 
of some exterior world and that that world include some similar networks, 
then consciousness, as a self simulation will be created.

Well, when I first given that idea some years ago, after some exchanges came 
the definite proof that I was wrong: Consciousness is a product of the soul 
given by god, so no machine and no animal can be conscious, this is not 
allowed by god. (One century ago, there was proof that woman had no soul, so 
you can beat your wife to death, *it* is only an unconscious animal/machine).

Why I have not built such a system? Well, it would be relatively simple to 
make, but this would ask for some years of efforts. I think it could have 
some applications in the game industry and I have a project in this domain: A 
conscious-like fpga-based computer card.

Yvan Bozzonetti.

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