X-Message-Number: 21482
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:09:15 -0500
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: CryoNet #21475 - #21481

For Robert Ettinger and Charles Platt:

It should be obvious that Ettinger was taking a line favorable to his
Cryonics Institute in his discussion. I've heard some Alcor people
doing the same. He may not be skillful at this, but you too are taking
a similar line in defense of Alcor. This gets us all exactly nowhere.

As an instance, I have tried to follow (given that it isn't published
 anywhere) Greg's work on vitrification. His experiments do achieve
vitrification of large areas of tissue, with some areas remaining
unvitrified. (If anyone knows of an experiment comparable to what's
done with human patients, please tell me). It is reasonable, but 
not friendly, to think that some areas in the brains of Alcor's
patients MAY not vitrify. Vitrification is not a completed, fully
understood process by Alcor or anyone else.

And given that we haven't perfected vitrification, we all might 
have our chances bettered if Alcor and the Cryonics Institute 
decided to work in cooperation, particularly by sharing their 
data --- of course with confidentiality agreements worked out
beforehand.

                   Best wishes and long long life to all,

                        Thomas Donaldson

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