X-Message-Number: 21858 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 09:06:11 -0400 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #21847 - #21857 Some comments: 1. For David Stodolsky, it is quite false that students of evolution believe that groups play any significant role in evolution of ANY creature. Try reading the works on evolution by GC Williams --- who incidentally pointed out that any group theory as a way of explaining aging would also fail. Like many older scientists, he's been writing more general books: I do not mean these but his earlier works. 2. For Kennita Watson: while I basically agree with you, I will add one important point. THE FUTURE IS NOT A SINGLE TIME AND PLACE. This basically tells us that so long as we remain frozen, lots of changes can happen and we can come out on the other end in very good health. If, for instance, they make genetic changes to everyone to make them superior to present humans, then our suspension need not be ended at that point, leaving us inferior versions of human beings. Just wait a bit and we'll be able to take on those changes as adults, with no trouble. Just a few comments. As for libertarianism versus socialism, the day will come when both are seen as ancient ideas. It's not that I claim to know what will come after (though I think its likely to be an ADVANCE, not a backward movement), but that I'm making a general statement about how the history of ideas goes on. And yes, it's interesting to speculate on the ideas which will follow both of those philosophies. Current theories of how evolution works may give a key ... I knoqw that I started to think differently about these issues after reading Williams and Hamilton, among others. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=21858