X-Message-Number: 2211 Date: Fri, 7 May 93 11:07:00 CDT From: Brian Wowk <> Subject: CRYONICS Smaller Coldroom By popular demand, here are some thoughts on a smaller coldroom. Unfortunately nature is not kind to builders of small coldrooms. The 100 patient (1000 neuropatient) coldroom we have been discussing would have an interior volume of 75 cubic meters. Suppose we built a coldroom with 1/10th the volume, say 2 meters on each side giving 8 cubic meters interior volume. This might be enough for 10 whole body patients (100 neuros). Well, if you made the foam walls 0.5 meters thick, the heat flow into the room would be 250 watts! This is half as much as the 100 patient room, with an associated operating cost half as great. What if you increase the foam thickness to 1 meter? Well, you don't gain much at all. As Robert Ettinger and Mike Darwin have pointed out, big foam thicknesses don't do much for small rooms. Your heat flow would still be 150 watts. Also your foam cost would be $15,000 (30% that of the 100 patient room), and your floor space utilization would be half that of the "big" coldroom. Actually, the best place to build a small coldroom is inside a Bigfoot dewar. The heatflow into -130'C inside would be only 20 watts. This could easily be pumped out by an air-cooled P-100 cryocooler for $100 a year worth of electricity. This electricity cost is so small, I wouldn't even budget for it. Other costs break down as follows: Dewar 18,000 2 P-100 cryocoolers 8,000 Misc. Hardware 10,000 -------- $36,000 This prototype system would implement and test all of the important coldroom concepts we have discussed so far (except foam insulation), including: * mechanical refrigeration * over/under air circulation * LN2 backup * propanol/water ballast * defrost function We could also test the suitability of different ballast containers and construction materials (wood, plastic, metal) in the -130'C environment. This room would be for neuropatients only (about 25). This is OK to start with since neuropatients would benefit the most from -130'C storage anyway. Storage costs consist of capital ammortization entirely, and are about $100 per patient per year for a 15 year amortization. This is 30% cheaper than our current neuro storage system, although unlike the real coldroom it is not vault- protected. Unfortunately dewars are fragile and prone to vacuum failure. For this reason the dewar "coldroom" will have to be built in such a way that it can be quickly disassembled (or just lifted out as a unit) and moved into another Bigfoot if necessary. Also for this reason I do not envision the dewar coldroom as a permanent structure. Once the concept has proven itself, construction on a real coldroom should begin ASAP. We will need the space sooner than many people think, and the dewar coldroom patients can then be moved and enjoy a further seven-fold reduction in storage costs. To summarize: I think the dewar coldroom is a good idea, and I thank Michael Riskin and Thomas Donaldson for pushing in this direction. The cost is modest, and the most expensive capital item (the dewar) will be available for backup for LN2 patients when the project is finished. I will be happy to design the system. In the meantime it is imperative that Alcor seriously plan for a large coldroom. This will involve setting aside 500 square feet in the new facility, and ensuring that adequate overhead space exists. I would like to see the dewar system up and running within one year, and real coldroom construction start within three years. Finally, if Alcor doesn't do this, *somebody else will*. --- Brian Wowk Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2211