X-Message-Number: 22723 From: "Aschwin de Wolf" <> References: <> Subject: Re: Selling Organs Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:12:26 -0400 > The matter of choice isn't as black and white as the message > below suggests. Once the option is available, the choice becomes a matter of > "give up your kidney (or liver section or whatever) or see your <friend, > relation die", and although people really don't want to give up their > kidney they are forced into it by the threat hanging over them if they don't > (implicit in the way other members of the group will treat them if they > don't). Exactly the same thing happens with people in poor countries where > the choice is "give up your kidney or get beaten up because you have debts", > (or see your friends and relations get beaten up). Maybe the Libertarian Alliance is a bit extreme in its rethoric but I am not sure how you define a threat. If you (even) include mutually advantageous transactions you must also have objections to things like wage labor, prostitution and even for-profit cryonics organizations (when poor people are involved). What is essential here is not to blur the line between the requirement to abstain from coercion / aggression and transactions for mutual advantage. For a thoughtful discussion of this distinction see: http://www.againstpolitics.com/libertarianism/index.html#part2 It may test our sensibilities but legalizing the selling of organs *increases* (not decreases) the range of alternatives for poor people. One may prefer the state giving money to poor people but I am not sure if a forced transfer of money (or labor) is to be prefered over a voluntary transfer of organs. I completely agree that (stem cell) technology for growing organs would be very welcome (and better) but making the state the owner (or part owner) of our bodies and resticting mutually advantageous transactions should be something cryonicists should not support. A libertarian-leaning non-profit organ sharing organization is: http://www.lifesharers.com/ Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=22723