X-Message-Number: 22849 From: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:55:07 EST Subject: cryonics making strange bedfellows? Dangerous, burn before reading. In a message dated 11/16/2003 5:01:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: My sense is that therapeutic cloning may be a major part of what makes cryonics practical(anyone that has more expertise in this area please correct me if I'm wrong). It sounds like the Islamic clergy may be taking a position that might evolve into something sympathetic to cryonics. (Rudi Hoffman writing) The above is certainly an interesting speculation. And seems unlikely and counterintuitive. However, we can clearly see that "common sense" as most of us would define it is no longer the dominant condition in much of modern human activity...and regulation. Just as a bit of humor that could result from above issue. Could you picture a scenario where the "Islamic clerics" (Generally fundamentalist whackos making our fundamentalist whackos look rational) would endorse cryonics? Yet another reason for the Christian right to continue the modern version of the Crusades we are currently potentially engaged in. Yeehaa! And some cynics say there is no such thing as fundamental human progress. lol. (actually, LOL a little sadly.) BTW, to add my two cents to the comments by Dave Pizer, I think his "Jew on the way to the deathcamp" analogy is powerful, emotive, and not too far from the mark. When the bioethicists, (AKA "biodeathisists) disagree with me/us on such a foundational principle as "a long and healthy life is a good thing to be pursued aggressively and rationally", we have a problem. And a larger problem if these idiots foist their neo-luddite agendas by force and gunpoint at us. While it is probably too early to call for this, and we must be circumspect for now, armed insurection against such "neo-nazis" may be necessary. I am beginning to understand the frustration that drove Patrick Henry to outlandish quotes which the patina of history and repetition have softened but were radical and outlandish then and now. "Give me liberty or give me death. Live free or die." The sad experiences of the last few weeks have made it abundantly clear that "being a nice guy, being ethical and honest, being competent and hard working and intelligent, etc." is far from sufficient to leading a happy life. We must have courage, and a willingness to confront aggressive ignorance with quiet but resolute determination. And force if necessary. Sorry if this email gets me jail. I won't let my wife read it, as she encourages me to "keep a low profile." Kindest regards to my friends on this list. And death...or at least a short leash...to modern day nazis. Rudi Hoffman Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=22849