X-Message-Number: 22972 From: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:12:40 EST Subject: Re: "Leon Kass Wants You Dead" In a message dated 11/30/2003 5:00:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Randy Wicker writes: Instead of the long statement about Leon Kass being x-times more likely to kill you than Osama Bin Laden. A more provocative slogan would be "Leon Kass Could Kill You" or "Leon Kass Wants You Dead". That will get people's attention. Even "Leon Kass Will Kill You". I really don't know where the line regarding legality lies. In the 1960s, they busted a bookstore at the University of Colorado for obscenity for selling some of my "F*CK CENSORSHIP" buttons. To Randy Wicker and Cryoneters, Interesting. This could be it. The challenge is that it is not a declaritive statement with instruction, like f*ck censorship, or "hell, no, we won't go." How about "Leon Kass, if death is good, you go do it!" "What if death gave a party and nobody came?" "Support antiaging research now!" "Stem cells save lives." "Make immortals, not war!" Oh, I just thought of one I like. "Keep Leon Kass out of your deathbed!" Ideas and ideologies matter. Well, thought out and reasoned approaches to life altering technologies are a good idea in concept. The problem is that in the "real world" where the mass mind lobbies for intrusive and perhaps well meaning but misguided laws, the sloganeering mindset is what works. And the harsh reality is that cryonics activists, even antiageing activists, are currently a TINY subset of humanity. As I write these words on Sunday morning at 9:52 AM, there are MILLIONS of people in church being indoctrinated in a meme war that has an epistomology that is anti-science. Their friends are there, the relationships that matter to many or most people they find at their church or synagogue. We in the pro-science, pro-technology, extropian, transhumanist movement have NO equivalent of any regular indoctrination infrastructure like this. (I can speak from experience on this one. I grew up in a church oriented family. My grandfather was president of Anderson University 39 years, the college sponsored by the Anderson based "Church of God." I came to Florida to teach at "Warner Christian Academy," a school sponsored by the church. Sang in the choir, was very active in church, and activities, even though I did not buy the theology/mythology even at the time. Please excuse weirdness or typos in this posting, as Internet connection is doing strange things. So, on with the slogan search. As corny and banal as this may seem, it could be the most important work we could be doing for life-promoting memes to replicate. Warmly, Rudi Hoffman Daytona Beach, FL Not in church, BTW Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=22972