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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:09:05 EST
Subject: Gresham's Law

Bad discussion drives out good discussion. It is just stupid to mix politics 
into cryonics, if there is no clear and present relevance. 

"Tim" (, # 22968) writes about Israel's

".......appalling human rights record,  
indiscriminate bombing of civilians,  and the 'seizing' of Palestinian land 
despite 
the border agreements that were made after the war in 1960's."

This is disgusting ignorance or/and stupidity. Israel's treatment of enemies 
has been much more humane and restrained than almost any other in history. 

There has been no indiscriminate bombing of civilians, and collateral damage has
been much smaller than the situation would justify. As for border agreements 
after the 1967 war--there were none, except temporary truce lines.

What idiots or ignoramuses like Tim forget, or somehow never knew, is that 
the Arab hatred of Israel and the Jews is OBVIOUSLY NOT the result of the 

"occupation"--because that hatred was just as intense long before the 
occupation. 
The Arab wars of aggression against Israel (and before that, terrorism against 

Jews in Palestine) occurred BEFORE the 1967 war, as well as after. The 1948 war
was waged by all the Arab countries in violation of their UN charter 

obligations, with of course never a penalty suggested by the UN. Except for 
Egypt and 
Jordan, all the Arab countries to this day maintain a formal state of war 

against Israel. The terrorist organizations say openly that their aim is the 
total 
destruction of Israel, and a majority of Palestinians support them. 

As I said, bad discussion drives out good. Because that moron Tim irritated 
me, I have to raise the ante and perhaps weaken cohesion inside cryonics. We 

have little in common except cryonics/immortalism, and therefore it ought to be
seen as obvious that we should restrict a forum such as this to matters of 
central concern (except perhaps for strictly entertainment purposes, such as 
abstract philosophy).

Robert Ettinger


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