X-Message-Number: 23032 Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 17:44:03 -0800 From: James Swayze <> Subject: New autopsy not so good References: <> > >Message #23024 >From: "Bryan Hall" <> >Subject: New kind of autopsy >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:45:16 -0800 > >There is a news article about a new kind of autopsy which causes much less >damage to the body. The procedure utilizes two types of imaging--computed >tomography (CT) and magnetic resonance (MR)--to generate a 3-D computer >model of the body. > >http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=000C80AC-07C6-1FCD-8 >7C683414B7F0000 > >-Bryan Hall > > Bryan, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It may well be something that needs special consideration and planning for. This is due to the fact that though it sounds good on the surface it could actually work disastrously against us. Some of us have joined the Society for Venturism, for instance, for many personal reasons but one in particular is it's pseudo religious attribute as even recognized by the IRS. This is for the purpose of avoiding autopsy. At first level this new autopsy procedure is not really a help because it is warming the brain we wish to avoid and in that neither this nor the old kind allows us survival. Next there is now the possibility that traditional religious objection based upon body maiming may disappear. Before this, for instance, our "friend" Dani Kollen could object upon the basis of his faith and hopefully, except perhaps in the case of violence, avoid the delay that would melt his brain making cryonics pointless. Owing to this line below in the article this may go away as more and more people of Dani's faith and other faiths become slowly acclimated to adopting this procedure in order to acquiesce to government pressure. [begin] "It can also be used in cultures and situations where autopsy is not tolerated by religion, such as in the traditional Jewish faith, or is rejected by family members. Some people do not like the idea of autopsy." [end] The next huge problem is noted in the following. [begin] Time of death is established by measuring the changing brain metabolites given off as the body decomposes." [end] This is terribly bad for us. This would mean that even an attemopt to meet halfway and perhaps agree to a non invasive autopsy so long as the brain was allowed to be chilled would be made moot by their need to let the brain rot for their time of death measurement. This looks extremely dangerous for us. Those not privy to nor carring about the details of cryonics procedures and needs would think they could get around our objection to autopsy with this alleged 'kinder gentler' version, when in fact it would be just as bad as before. It's a wolf in sheeps clothing. James -- Member: Cryonics Institute of Michigan http://www.cryonics.org The Immortalist Society http://www.cryonics.org/info.html The Society for Venturism http://www.venturist.org Immortality Institute http://www.imminst.org MY WEBSITE: http://www.davidpascal.com/swayze/ Signature Memetic Virus--The worst enemy of those who now or will need medical care is the uninformed politician or moral fanatic who proscribe what doctors are allowed to prescribe and research, with the consent of their patients. Those who understand this are strongly encouraged to modify this to fit their personality, and add this to their signature file, and organize to recover our freedom from Big Brother. For those who wait until they are sick, it will be too late. Those who suffer from diseases which might have been cured by advanced medical research or schedule 1 drugs banned by Big Brother, have the right to hold accountable those who sat on their hands or worse, deferred their responsibility for personal and humanity's survival to unseen mystical agents, while they remained ill and dying. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23032