X-Message-Number: 23084 From: Subject: Re: message #23078 (Mike Perry) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:46:59 +0000 As I said in an earlier post, I have a lot to learn about posting to Cryonet. Mike, when we see each other again (next week) I would like to talk with you about this subject. What is "radical Libertatianism"? The only radical concept I have heard about is the idea of no taxes at all. I would like to see that tried but to the best of my knowledge the national party does not advocate it. It would require the federal government be returned to its constitutional limits then a small national sales tax would suffice. You said some generations ago an opportunity existed to try this system instead a feudal system was created. The Libertarian party was created in 1971 (I think), hardly several generations ago. I doubt that at the time of which you speak the concept we now identify as Libertarian had even been conceived! Imagine, the absolute right to own weapons, build on your property as you see fit rather than as some government bureaucrat decides, no requirement to even visit a government bureaucrat to start a business...etc., etc. Just discuss those ideas with people today and see what I mean! No wonder it was not tried. "...not necessarily devolve into something like La Cosa Nostra.". If it did, it would no longer be Libertarian. It would be more like what we now have under the RepubliCrats...absolute federal control over every aspect of our lives and almost total disregard for the Constitution. You say we should proceed with caution with any "radical" reform. Is the concept of self ownership a radical idea. I don't think so. Remember, a tax is the government saying "you don't own your money even though you earned it. We, the state (the people...collectivism), own it and we will tell you how much you may keep". Property tax eliminated the fundamental right to own property. This is now the norm. It has been tried and the result is the monster government we now slave under. I use the word slave in its true definition. We are truly slaves of the state. The state tells us how much of our money we may keep, how to build our homes, where to build our homes, extorts money for the privilege of remaining in our homes, we are not free to create wealth (start a business) we must get permission from the state, and I could go on but I think you get the idea. We are slaves and we put the chains on ourselves and each election insist they stay on. You seem to like Libertarianism if it is applied to cryonics, why not to other aspects of our lives? As for citizens holding weapons of mass destruction...that bothers me also but be careful...a weapon of mass destruction to some bureaucrats could be a hand grenade or machine gun. I fully feel citizens should be able to own those items. Wrong to kill non-Libertarians, etc. It depends. Self defense... no, murder..., yes. You say the Libertarian system should be tried on a small scale. I wish the current system had been tried on a small scale first, perhaps we would be a lot more free now. Lets elect Libertarians to all local and federal offices NOW...that is the test I wish to see. Live free or die! Jerry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23084