X-Message-Number: 23308 From: "David Pizer" <> Subject: S.A. ??? Huh? Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:24:37 -0800 Replying to a post from yesterday on Cryonet.................................... Pizer = I know little about the SA situation, but their post was not very convincing to me. Here are a few questions or suggestions that I hope will help SA in the future SA = Suspended Animation's (SA) building permit is rejected by Boca Raton City Council. January 13, 2004, brought what seems like another blow to the Cryonics industry. But receiving a negative response from the Boca Raton City Council on their request for a building permit does very little in hampering the Cryonics movement or the company itself. The company continues to be ready with its Remote Transport Service to support members of cryonics organizations anywhere in the world. Pizer = SA, you need to explain how you are "ready" to do a complete cryonics transport and wash out and perfusion if you have no legal place to do it. Or is there more to your situation that you have not informed us of? SA = "We are a global support organization and this is only a small hiccup in the long road to making cryonic suspension services available worldwide." says the company's CEO, David Shumaker. "We've already finished what we needed to do in this facility through the completion of our remote kits. We are currently supporting cryonics members outside of Boca Raton and will continue to do so." He added. Pizer = If you are only a "small hiccup" why are you even in business. Why do we need you? We need organizations that can save our lives - we don't want small hiccups to hold that position. Don't try to belittle the loss you suffered by bureaucrats by saying you lost, but you aren't worth much so it was no loss. SA "We had anticipated this." says David Hayes SA's COO, "and we have already identified numerous other potential facilities. We wanted to stay where we were because of the assurances we were initially given from the city compounded by the fact that we had most of our equipment boxed up in the warehouse. We didn't unpack everything because we wanted to wait until every 'I' was dotted and 'T' was crossed." Hayes added, "We were warned from others in the industry to be weary until the paperwork was processed and in our hands so that's what we did. We opened the office space and created a workshop area but did very little work on the expensive labs and operating room." Pizer = This sounds like BS. (sorry) If you anticipated you were going to lose why did you spend the resources to set up there in the first place? The situation sounds like you made a mistake. If you did, just admit it. SA = "If we had moved forward with all of our plans and then got shut down by the city council we would have been put out of business. Now we will just move to another facility in a more business friendly city." Shumaker added, "This is a small bump in the road. It simply slows down our ability to offer some of our services inside this particular building and most of our services are provided elsewhere." Michael Quinn, SA's Director of Research stated that "Most suspension work is done at the patient site or at their storage facility and we are providing those services right now." Pizer = You need to explain this better. Are you in business elsewhere? Where? Exactly how are you now providing service? SA = "SA's real benefit to the Cryonics industry is our remote capability. It is our ability to be at your bedside with professionally trained and experienced personnel along with state of the art equipment" says Hayes. "Our customers are located all over the world so these limitations don't hinder our service capabilities. Our research facility in Boca Raton was only that, a research facility to work on the creation of superior equipment and services." "In our current facility we completed the design and development of a whole new series of remote equipment that can be used anywhere in the world," Hayes says. Pizer = You need to explain this better. How are your services different than Alcor's? It more sounds like you are trying to duplicate Alcor's services but offer them on the east coast. But now it sounds like you have been ordered to close down on the east coast. If your remote services are like Alcor's and your advantage (to those who live on the east coast) was your physical location and now you have lost your physical location, what is the need for your to be in business? How can you help us cryonicists above and beyond what Alcor can already do for us? AS = "This facility actually had some pretty strong negatives; I'm glad that we get to move into a more suitable place. Some amazing doors are opening for us now and for that I thank the City Council. They've done us a great service." New equipment and partnership announcements are expected over the next few months. "You will see some great advances in Cryonics technologies coming from us, very soon." Hayes commented. Pizer = This sounds like BS (sorry). If the facility had some pretty strong negatives it sound like bad management on our part for being there in the first place. Why did you chose a place that had strong negatives instead of a place that had strong positives? SA = SA expects to be able to announce their new location in the very near future but is ready to fully support Cryonics members anywhere in the world. Pizer = Again, it would help us to chose to support SA if you could justify the expense (what is that number) of the creation of SA by explaining what SA does that is above and beyond what Alcor already does. Pizer = I hope my comments can help you to present your position in a better way so that all of us *can* understand what you are really trying to say. David. 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