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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:45:33 -0500
From: randolfe wicker <>
Subject: Re: 23466 Death and exercise

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Re:23466 Death and exercise were topics covered in Scott Badger's marvelous 
post.


He takes issue with David Verbke's suggestion that "dying should also be seen as
a relief from life and all its worries"


I can only relate two amazing personal experiences.  Once, thirty years ago, I 
passed out while blood was being taken for a medical test.  It was the only time
in my life that I passed out.


I remember the room going in and out of focus and then fading away.  What I next
remember was being in an absolutely bliss-filled state and some annoying voices
and people around me disturbing me.  I awoke with a lot of concerned medics and
nurses hanging over me.


That experience greatly reduced my fear of death.  I still remember it as one of
the most pleasurable "totally relaxed" experiences in my life.


On another occasion, the nurses told me my lover was dying with a pulse of 60 
over 0 in the emergency room corridor.  I commenced crying, saying good-bye and 
telling him how much I loved him.


David din't die that night.  When I asked him if he had heard me crying and 
talking to him and what kind of emotions he was experiencing while he was 
"dying", he told me that he felt like he was at the bottom of a pit, lying 
prostate and so totally drained of energy that he "didn't have the energy to 
feel any emotion."

That description has always defined for me what dying might be like.


On the friskier subject about Tim Freeman's observation that cryonicists 
"exercise less then you might expect", my response as a creature of the mind and
sometimes militant couch potato, is that most exercise is a morbidly boring and
exhausting waste of precious time.


I'd much rather be sitting here chatting on cryonet than I would want to be out 
jogging like all those other fools I see running around on the waterfront and in
the parks.


If Hell really exists, I'm convinced it will turn out to be one big exercise gym
or an endless marathon run.  Yuk! 


 All those vitamins, supplements and low fat foods might not keep me going quite
 as long without exercise as they would with exercise.  However, an hour or two
 a day (travel time to gym, etc as well as exercise time) amounts to 10 or 15% 
 of one's awake time each day.  Do the math and you'll see that even if you die 
 a few years earlier, in the long run you come out ahead in time well lived if 
 you don't torture yourself with exercise.

Randolfe Wicker

Founder, Clone Rights United Front, www.clonerights.com 
Spokesperson, Reproductive Cloning Network, www.reproductivecloning.net
Advisor, The Immortality Institute, www.imminst.org
email: 
phone: 201-656-3280


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