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From: "Trygve B.Bauge" <>
Subject: Third annual frozen dead guy days a great success.
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:45:44 +0100


According to the Denver/Boulder media, the third annual FDGDays was a great 
success with at least 5000 people attending,


All the main media outlets in Colorado covered the event both up front and 
throughout the event with lengthy articles.


No negative feedback locally what so ever this year, maybe with the exception of
one visitor who felt bored by all the games and fun :-).


The mayor even sent me a last minute e-mail to acertain that I was still alive. 
Someone apparently had set out a rumar that I had died.


My answer was: "All publicity is good publicity as long as it is not an 
obituary,

and an obituary is ok too, as long as one can get in a retraction. (From 
Trygve's Aphorisms copyright Trygve Bauge)


Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge

  wrote:

>I love the story of the grandfather frozen at Nederland.  I think that it 
>should be turned into a film.
>Maria


It has already been turned into both an awardwinning short movie "Grandpa in the
Tuff shed" and a full length feature film
"Grandpa still in the Tuff shed"


This year one author is writing a murder mystery book "Murder in the Tuff shed" 
, to be published at next year's festival.

There are many business sponsors for the event including Tuff Shed.


The event is organized by the local chamber of commerce, of which I am a member.



The only negative feedback that has appeared over the last 2 years have come 
from a couple of people at Cryonic news groups.

Let me thus refresh everyone's memory:


My grand father was frozen because I want to be frozen, and when he died I saw 
an opportunity to freeze him as a test case so to improve upon the process so 
that the process will be improved once I die, and get frozen myself.


He was the first person frozen from Norway, and only the second person from 
outside the United States,

this opened up for several other foreigners later suspended, including a 95 year
old lady from Norway.


We wired about USD 31.000 to Cryonic Institute to have them store my 
grandfather, but they refused to accept post mortem cases at the time.

Only as a result of my post mortem request did they change their policy, 
something many has benefitted from since. 
We in the mean time paid to have him stored at Trans Time's facility.


The year after, I was elected as one of the directors on Trans Time's board of 
directors for one year,

and I spent one year drawing up various plans for a new earth quake and nuclear 
war proof terrain integrated cryonic facilty for Trans Time.

When Trans time couldn't make up their mind whether to build one of my models or
buy something else or stay where they were,

I decided to build a prototype state of the art earthquake proof, storm proof, 
fire proof and nuclear war proof cryogenic facility
in Nederland Colorado, complete with bigfoot dewars and local power supply.


We bought land and I drew up the plans. These were published in the immortalist 
at the time.
the plans can still be found on my webpage. 
http://home.powertech.no/trygveb/Myweb12/Index1995.html


I tried unsuccessfully at the time to talk other cryonisist into buying up the 
surrounding lots most of which were available dirt cheap at the time.

After I buildt a road for the whole hillside and brought in utilities to the 
same, the value of the surrounding lots more than dobbled in value, some went 
from under USD 10,000 to USD 35,000 in less than 2 years. So much for those of 
you who didn't buy these lots. Nice mountain view did they have too. 


We buildt the main caretaker building, including a two story storage area set 
aside for a bigfoot like dewar.
We also got a second client lined up,

shipped in both the bodies, stored in dryice, and were about to install an 
electrical freezer and a bigfootlike dewar, 

when the immigration and naturalization service (INS) struck and ordered me 
deported before my appeal process had run out.

I trusted that I would not be deported before my appeal to the supreme court had
been heard, something that would have taken more than a year.

And thought I had more than enough time to complete the facility and hand this 
over to others to run, even if I was to lose the appeal.

But instead the INS prevented my appeal to the supreme court by ordering me 
picked up and deported before my appeals rights had run out,
even before the deadline for filing the appeal had run out.
I had  to go undercover and was eventually arrested 4 months later.

I still have some fond memories of being on the run, with strobe lights, barking
dogs and police unsuccessfully chasing me :-)


Anyway, the attacks from INS and the protectionism lately so prevalent in the 
United States, has prevented me from completing my plans for a state of the art 
cryonic facility in Nederland Colorado. 
My grandfather has instead been placed in a temporary dry ice storage.


In case you are saying that there is no hope for those preserved in dry ice, let
me then state what I envision:

In a nutshell, here is what I envision:

1. I do envision that cloning of live human beings become legal in still
more countries, first for parents that lose young kids,
then for adults that can't get kids, then for everyone.

2. I do envision that it becomes possible and then legal to clone human
beings from dead tissue samples.

3. I do envision that it also becomes possible to generate new human beings
from theoretical genome maps.
e.g. that it becomes possible to piece together DNA segments from live
cells, in such a way so to make up a live embryo with the same genome as one
has found a dead sample tissue to have, so that one defacto can clone human
beings based on dead tissue samples.

4. I do envision that it becomes possible to freeze and thaw out live
organs, in such a way that these still are alive,
and that this prosess then is enhanced so to work for whole organisms and
then for whole human beings.

There are many ways this can be accomplished:
one way would be to look at the genes that enables certain plants and
animals to survive freezing, and than adding these genes to other organisms
and then eventually to human beings.


Another approach would be to improve vitrification, the freezing techniques 
whereby body
fluids freeze as glass and not as crystals.
Today the problem is that the chemicals or chemical consentrations that
ensure glassiation are poisenous to human tissues.

If we find chemicals that are not poisenous in the concentrations needed to
ensure glassiation, then we would have successful freezing.
Maybe one could look at the chemicals and concentrations created naturally
by such organisms that naturally survive freezing.

However I still think the right quantities of the right chemicals best can be 
administered at the right time and temperature
on the cellular level, by inserting the right genes to accomplish this.


5. As soon as it becomes possible and legal to create a clone, that clone
can be used as a blue print, making it easier to repair any dead corpse.
e.g. once one has a live blue print one can easily through transplants and
nanotechnology repair organ by organ, tissue by tissue or even cell by cell.

6. The challenge is one of survival to the highest degree.
Today we survive through our kids, soon we will survive through our clones,
and then we can use conventional teaching techniques to pass on still more
of our mental content to our clones.

7.  Ideally one doesn't want to die in the first place. And I foresee that
the 21st century will be the century of life-extension and human
rejuvenation.
Maybe the fountain of youth is just a question of routinely or continuously
bathing all the body's cells in the right nutrients?
Whether we end up eating sprouts and drinking fresh squeezed juices at all
hours or taking something intravenously once a week, only time will tell.




There are lots of things that has to be improved for life-extension and cryonics
to become successful viable procedures,
and public acceptance is one thing that is important,

and that we have in Colorado, thanks to yours truly and my many supporters in 
Colorado.


I still think someone should capitalize on the ground work I have done, and use 
the opportunity to set up a state of the art cryonics facility in Boulder 
Colorado,
at what point we would be glad to move my grandfather there.
After all we are paying more than USD 750 a month to keep him on dry ice.
  
Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge



Charles Platt wrote:


>Do-it-yourselfers such as the Prescott individual and Trygve
>Bauge (formerly of Colorado) make cryonics seem ridiculous
>and encourage hostile legislation. They constitute a threat
>to anyone who takes cryonics seriously.

Really??
I don't thinks so,

When we froze my grandfather, I already had a good standing in Colorado, thanks 
to operating the Boulder Polar Bear Club and having won several high profile 
courtcases.

The Denver Post, The Rocky Mountain news and the Daily Camera all carried large 
and serious articles about my grandfather's cryonic suspension,

The Denver Post even had it as a front page story with color picture, and TV 
channel 4 paid for a direct uplink to its sister station in San Fransisco to 
cover that we flew him in to Trans Time's facility in early February 1990.


Anyway, I had over the years established several hundred good media contacts in 
Colorado,

and it is thanks to some of these that we were able to beat back the threat when
the local town board panicked and wanted to thaw out my grandfather back in 
1994.

Anyway that is all history by now and long time ago turned into an awardwinning 
movie. 

Last year the mayor even went public and offered to take in the Martinouts if 
these could no longer stay in France.

I doubt that there are many in Colorado that want to outlaw cryonics.

I wager that Alcor and CI and ACS will have little problem if any, if they were 
to try to establish a state of the art cryonic facility in Boulder Colorado.
You don't have to complete my plans, 
you don't even have to put it in the town of Nederland,

Our big sponsors are actually located in Denver, radio station Krfx (Fox), Tuff 
shed, the Airgas company (dry ice and potentially liquid Nitrigen)  etc.  

And the Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News and the 4 affiliated TV stations
that routinely create positive news coverage on my Boulder Polar Bear Club and 
the frozen Dead Guy Days are all located in Denver.

Even the legislature that 2 years ago almost declared a statewide Frozen Dead 
Guy Day, is located in Denver.


The post office however, that this year stamped letters with Frozen Dead Guy 
Day, (as a cancellation on the stamps) is located in Nederland Colorado, but 
they probably got the approval from Denver or Washington DC.

I don't see how the support we have in Colorado can be called hostile :-)   
I don't see how it threatens cryonics.

I don't see any hostile legislature or funeral board or corroner like in 
Arizona, Michigan, California, British Columbia or France etc. etc.

I rather see a community that whole hearthedly accept even the most rudimentary 
and simplest forms of cryonics as a part of life.


It is thanks to my efforts and the efforts of my supporters in Colorado that we 
there already have overcome the kind of hostility cryonics have met and will 
meet everywhere else in the world!

Basically cryonics have to go through the same prosess as Jehovas witnesses and 
the Mormons and many other groups have had to go through to win approval, and be
left free to do their own thing.

In Colorado cryonics is already through many of the hurdles that cryonics not 
yet have passed through in the rest of the world. 

Charles Platt continud to say:
>An appropriate response to "Dead Guy Days" would be a press
>release condemning the act which started it and emphasizing
>the differences between garage-body-freezers and modern
>cryopreservation procedures.


Really??

What is there to condemn?
That I managed to freeze my grandfather over my sisters objection,
and as a straight freeze, the only option under the circumstances?

Would there be better to not freeze when one can't freeze under the best 
circumstances?
Noone frozen today is frozen under immediately reversible circumstances,

all that are frozen so far are frozen under various degrees of adverse 
situations.
Many have been frozen in worse conditions than my grandfather,

and many cryonisists still want to be frozen even if adverse situations make it 
impossible to be frozen under ideal circumstances.

Who are you to deny others a chance to be frozen if they can't be frozen with 
the latest techniques?

Of everyone frozen so far only the last few have been frozen with the latest 
techniques, and a few years down the road their treatment will be outdated too.


Or is it the fact that I didn't roll over when faced with adverse situations 
that you will condemn?

should I when I got deported have abandoned my cryonics plans and let the 
autorities thaw out my grandfather?

You want to condemn the act that started the frozen Dead Guy Days?

Is it the decission by the local chamber of commerce to start the frozen dead 
guy days, you want to condemn,

or is it the fact they I kept my grandfather on dry ice after the immigration 
and naturalization service had twarted my plans for a state of the art cryonics 
facility you will condemn?.

Or is it the fact that we have been able to maintain him on dry ice as an 
emergency meassure, you will condemn?

If Alcor or CI comes under attack and can't store their patients in liquid 
nitrogen as planned, do you then want the patients thawed rather than placed in 
dry ice? 
is it the fact thet I refused to thaw him out that you condemn?

Or do you condemn the fact that I and my supporters in Colorado including the 
Colorado media have kept the case in media to such an extent that the chamber of
commerce finally jumped on the bandwaggon too?

How many other frozen patients are sponsored by business in such a way as my 
grandfather? Non that I know of. 

Don't you see that business sponsors and support from the chamber of commerce is
an asset??



Don't you see that the we all to some extent face the same problems that I 
faced,

and that  only if some of us face up to and try to overcome these problems will 
we get them solved.



I think the proper response would be for the cryonic organizations to hold their
annual conference in Nederland Colorado next year, either the weekend before or
the weekend after the Frozen Dead Guy Days. The Chamber of commerce and the 
state media (including the 4 network affiliates) would welcome you with red 
carpet and give you the vip treatment, which is more than you can expect 
anywhere else in the world! 


Of course we all know there is a difference between the best possible treatment,
and the treatment my grandfather has received,

but that is beside the point. I dare to say that Cryonics has come a long way 
further towards a successful future thanks to my grandfather's pilot case.


Charles Platt your argumentation is like attacking the industrial revolution 
because it included child laborers and low paid work,

and ignoring the fact that we wouldn't have got the standard of living we have 
today without the low pay start of the industrial revolution. 

One basically have to start from where one is and improve upon the situation, 
and for many of the child laborers their work was an improvement when compared 
to the alternative: succombing in large numbers to famines and death from 
starvation.

I venture to say that even a temporary dry ice storage is better than the 
alternative: burial and cremation,

and even more so when it is used as a means to open and win approval for better 
cryonic treatments.   

 Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge


Ps. Some years down the road my friends in Colorado might possibly petition the 
federal government so that I can return to complete my plans for a state of the 
art
cryonics facility in Colorado, without the need of any passport or any visa.


The same technology I used in my designs and house can also be used to build 
fire proof and earthquakeproof houses.

Every year hundreds of houses burn down due to wild fires in the western states.


I venture to say that someday people will discover that what I offer is of 
higher value and offer greater safety, than the hole that INS and protectionisme
has got them into.

 
Life-Extension Systems, Universal Liberty, The Global Village Project, 
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