X-Message-Number: 23912 From: "michaelprice" <> References: <> Subject: Frame Over, Man, Frame Over! Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 07:32:21 +0100 Peter Merel: >>> there is no necessary reason to think physical infinities exist. >> >> Except for the infrared divergences of quantum electrodynamics, >> which imply that the finite number of photons observed with our >> insensitive detectors are a subset of an infinite (aleph-null) number >> of soft, but real, photons actually emitted. >> But we've discussed this before. > > Yes, I questioned the necessity of the theoretical frame. You insisted > on the reality of its consequents. So I gave up. FWIW I find the > situation with infinite photons reminiscent of the frame problems to do > with phlogiston in the 18th century and epicycles in the 16th. We > know that QM and GR aren't mutually consistent; this and the plague > of infinities are obvious symptoms. God doesn't renormalize. Obvious? Let's wait for the theory of everything before we jump to conclusions. Ettinger: > And once more, for those who insist Goedel's result is significant, > I remind them that a sentence undecidable in one formal system can > be made decidable by expanding the formal system, which certainly > shows that the problem is in the particular system. No, the "problem" is general to all formal systems above a minimum level of complexity. By expanding the formal system to "axiomatise away" some undecidables more undecidable propositions are created. There is no escape from Goedel's result. Cheers, Michael C Price http://mcp.longevity-report.com http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=23912