X-Message-Number: 24106
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 00:41:17 -0700
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: Re: Coninued use of oil [off topic-- my own rating]
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>Message #24102
>From: "michaelprice" <>
>References: <>
>Subject: Oil crisis - what crisis?
>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:44:51 +0100
>
>Mark Plus tells us "told you so" - just as people were 30 years ago...
>
>Have a look at the slides in:
>http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3623549.stm
>about world oil reserves.
>In particular, look at slide #2, in the slide show:
>
>"How long will it last? 
>The short answer is no-one knows, but even the oil industry 
>suspects the world "peak" is now approaching.
>
>It says it has 40 years of proven reserves at the moment - 
>but it also said that 30 years ago.
>
>In fact, the estimate has actually increased in recent years 
>as production has fallen. Cutting consumption would prolong 
>oil's life."
>
>Cheers,
>Michael C Price
>http://mcp.longevity-report.com
>http://www.hedweb.com/manworld.htm
>  
>

It may well be so that reserves of oil have 40 more years or even more 
use left. In fact they can be stretched far further by ever more 
technological advances to squeeze more from every drop. Reconstitution 
technology as showcased here, 
http://www.changingworldtech.com/techfr.htm, will stretch the use of 
fossil fuel and petroleum based products even indefinitely without oil 
in the ground based reserves.

However, is it really so wise to do so? Continued dependence on Middle 
East oil only fuels hate towards the western countries that buy and use 
it while at the same time feeding the fomenters of said hate with more 
and more cash to pay for terrorism against us. It's a perverse bargain! 
Terrorism begins in the schools and mosques supported by despot 
governments that fear democracy and with the freedom democracy allows 
the loss of their power. By buying their oil we only hurt ourselves. Let 
them eat oil, it's the only thing they have of value and it has 
artificially supported their numbers beyond what their food producing 
resources could otherwise support. Because of this now their youth are 
disenfranchised, feeling they have no future and simultaneously nd 
perversely taught that democracy -- the very lifestyle of freedom that 
could offer them a future -- is their enemy. They are raised to be 
perfect fodder for suicide bomb makers.

Continued use of burning carbon for energy is hurting the environment. 
Whether one believes in global warming or not the new threat is the 
dimming of the light able to reach the surface coming from the sun. All 
that haze can't be good for everyone's lungs and it will adversely 
effect the weather. With less sunlight we get less evaporation and 
therefore less rain. These effects are already being felt with ground 
water reserves under greater pressure from irrigation farming and those 
ground water reserves not being replenished.

Do we really expect to experience a singularity built still upon the 
old, nay ancient tech of fossil fuel burning?  It's only one step above 
burning wood for crying out loud. The Sahara Desert is a desert largely 
due to the fact that humanity denuded its forests for fuel. It is now 
expanding for the same reason. Continued fossil fuel use is not the way 
I imagine the future. It is high time we lead in the development of 
alternatives that are not only renewable but also less pollution 
producing. Hydrogen is my choice and the way I've always imagined the 
future.

Right now a true phenomenon is happening that has not ever been seen in 
history. The capitalist revolution is overtaking China and India, the 
two most populated countries in the world. Just decades ago both were in 
the dark ages tech wise. Now greater and greater numbers of every day 
folk in these countries are realizing the western lifestyle and they 
yearn for it. It's a marvelous thing really but it has consequences. 
More and more of them now are able to own the same things westerns have. 
Right now the numbers are low but the rise is exponential. The growth of 
these economies is itself the first phenomenon. Never before has any 
country developed a modern for everyone lifestyle this fast ever in 
history. But here is the rub, imagine what the environmental damage will 
be when all, by then, 3 billion of them each own the equivalent of what 
those in the west have. Two cars in every garage, a refrigerator for 
every home, all the rest? The toll on the environment is going to 
enormous and the next phenomenon if we don't develop better cleaner and 
more renewable energy and lead them toward its use. If we don't then 
there's little economic incentive for them to.

Lastly, I don't think it is wise to simply use up every drop of a single 
resource just because it is there for the taking. It might have a better 
use we don't know of yet that some future technology will discover. Hell 
maybe the planet needs a certain amount for its health, I don't know and 
this seems unlikely.... but still. What does it say about us as a race 
of beings if we can't do better than use things up until they don't 
exist anymore?

Ok, one more lastly. I can't imagine a worse environment for cryonics 
and the future of 'our future' and the direction we hope it takes then 
to not get futurized right now and get off the old tech way of fossil 
fuel use. If not it only means more dependence on countries that hate us 
but love our money. They don't know it but they work against their own 
best interest but what else do you expect from people that let 
irrationalism rule their every move. By this I am not being racial I am 
referring to their social evolutionary insistence on leading lives ruled 
by theocracy, this in itself is irrational. Responding to our own 
theocratics the terror mongers hope to bring about a reenactment of the 
Crusades. Our own messianic obsessed leaders seem more than willing to 
oblige. This is a self escalating meme action and cannot be good for a 
peaceful future for immortalists. All we can do is what little we can to 
change our leadership and nudge them toward a more rational course and 
more future friendly use of technology and fuel development.

James


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