X-Message-Number: 24340 From: Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:27:44 EDT Subject: Hayflick >He, like Klass and other educated, but ignorant, bastards, simply does not want us to live beyond 70 or 80 years. These guys think any longer life than that, when extended by man alone, is immoral. So they claim they believe they see the facts of science supporting their moral beliefs because they want that to be the case. Hayflick's book on aging is a long rant on the theme "nobody can think of anything that I didn't". Arthur C. Clarke's thoughts on old scientists apply. That said, Hayflick did make a major contribution to the aging field by discovering somatic-cell telomere-based senescence, in opposition to the "old scientist" (A. Carrell) of his time. Hayflick's students (like Dr. Woodring Wright) have gone on to have rather more optimistic ideas about aging. So the moral of the story is not to let the old scientists make all the funding decisions. Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=24340