X-Message-Number: 25296 From: "Valera Retyunin" <> Subject: To Scott Badger, Re: Identity Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:40:46 +0300 >Valera: First, you cannot have two QEs because YOU are your QE (it's just >another word for YOU). >Scott: I see no self-evident reason for this. I don't think it needs any reason since it's a definition. I like it because that's how I perceive myself. I am the experiencer, even if the experiencer and experience are in fact the same, as Robert insists. >Scott: If part of your QE system is damaged your conscious mind will likely >be diminished. If we add to your QE system it would stand to reason that >your conscious mind would expand. I agree. >Or do you propose that a QE is defined only by a system with contiguous >neurons and that adding to the system in some other location in the brain >would not result in enhancement but only duplication. I agree, some additions may result in enhancement. At least I hope so. >Please understand. First, I don t believe that a copy or a duplicate of me >is really me. I do think it may be possible to upload using a gradual >process that maintains continuity. I now understand. I hope all proponents of uploading do (or will come to) share this view. I must admit my opinion about uploading has formed based on Cryonet postings and (very) few publications on other cryonics sites. I simply have the impression that what most people mean by uploading is in effect duplication. And the word itself implies just that. >Secondly, I have no desire to get rid of the sense of >self I currently possess. I m just saying that if our >minds grow and expand as I think they will, our future >selves may be analogous to what the waking mind is to >the dreaming mind. And most people shed their dream >self almost every morning shortly after waking up. Well, this sounds fascinating. I too hope such expansion will be possible someday. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25296